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  Recovering Win7 after installing Linux mint HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-05 15:01 +1000
    Re: Recovering Win7 after installing Linux mint Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2016-04-04 22:18 -0700
      Re: Recovering Win7 after installing Linux mint HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-05 20:53 +1000
        Re: Recovering Win7 after installing Linux mint The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-04-05 12:12 +0100
          Re: Recovering Win7 after installing Linux mint HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-05 21:31 +1000
            Re: Recovering Win7 after installing Linux mint The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-04-05 12:43 +0100
            Re: Recovering Win7 after installing Linux mint William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2016-04-05 15:27 +0000
              Re: Recovering Win7 after installing Linux mint HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-06 04:39 +1000
                Re: Recovering Win7 after installing Linux mint William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2016-04-05 18:44 +0000
                Re: Recovering Win7 after installing Linux mint Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-04-05 19:26 +0000
                  Re: Recovering Win7 after installing Linux mint HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-06 08:01 +1000
                    Re: Recovering Win7 after installing Linux mint Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-04-05 22:17 +0000
                    Re: Recovering Win7 after installing Linux mint "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-04-06 12:40 +0200
                      Re: Recovering Win7 after installing Linux mint Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2016-04-06 07:37 -0700
                        Re: Recovering Win7 after installing Linux mint "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-04-06 19:40 +0200
                Re: Recovering Win7 after installing Linux mint Chick Tower <c.tower@deadspam.com> - 2016-04-06 16:59 +0000
                  Re: Recovering Win7 after installing Linux mint William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2016-04-06 23:11 +0000
                    Re: Recovering Win7 after installing Linux mint Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2016-04-06 16:44 -0700
                      Re: Recovering Win7 after installing Linux mint "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-04-09 02:30 +0200
                        Re: Recovering Win7 after installing Linux mint The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-04-09 12:15 +0100
        Re: Recovering Win7 after installing Linux mint "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-04-05 14:44 +0200
          Re: Recovering Win7 ^ Correct^ philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2016-04-05 08:00 -0500
            Re: Recovering Win7 ^ Correct^ Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-04-05 13:26 +0000
              Re: Recovering Win7 ^ Correct^ philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2016-04-05 09:19 -0500
                Re: Recovering Win7 ^ Correct^ Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2016-04-05 07:58 -0700
                  Re: Recovering Win7 ^ Correct^ philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2016-04-05 10:14 -0500
          Re: Recovering Win7 after installing Linux mint HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-06 03:18 +1000
            Re: Recovering Win7 after installing Linux mint philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2016-04-05 13:30 -0500
              Re: Recovering Win7 after installing Linux mint "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-04-06 12:44 +0200
                Re: Recovering Win7 after installing Linux mint philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2016-04-06 12:08 -0500
                  Re: Recovering Win7 after installing Linux mint The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2016-04-06 20:32 +0100
        Re: Recovering Win7 after installing Linux mint Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> - 2016-04-05 12:53 +0000
    Re: Recovering Win7 after installing Linux mint Andreas Kohlbach <avr16.10.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2016-04-05 16:39 -0400

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#17155

On 2016-04-05 12:53, HGW wrote:

>> When I installed Mint, my win7 disappeared. Mint is using about 465
>> gigs of my 500G drive in one partition so I think Win7 is still
>> there somewhere on the other 35G.

A 500 GB disk has exactly 465 GiB. Nothing is missing.

500 GB is 500000000000 bytes. Divide that by 1024*1024*1024 and you get
the figure in GiB.

Disk manufacturers use gigabyte units (GB) as powers of 10, since ever.
A lot of software use GB, referring to powers of 2, not of 10. This is
confusing, so the current standard is to rename as GiB. Not all do so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibibyte


Your mint install has used the entire disk, destroying the previous
installation. I'm not familiar with mint, so I can't comment on why it
did that. I don't know if that is the default or not, optional or not.
Sorry.


>> It should also be able to show you the partition space allocated to
>> Windows 7.
> 
> No, it does not recognize it at all.

Then it does not exist. It has been destroyed.

Open a terminal in Linux, then using su or sudo run

 fdisk -l

to display the partitions. Or alternatively, run:

 lsblk


> I don't have the windows disks so I don't want to format he whole hard
> drive. 

Then you will have to get one...


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#17157 — Re: Recovering Win7 ^ Correct^

On 04/05/2016 07:44 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2016-04-05 12:53, HGW wrote:
>
>>> When I installed Mint, my win7 disappeared. Mint is using about 465
>>> gigs of my 500G drive in one partition so I think Win7 is still
>>> there somewhere on the other 35G.
>
> A 500 GB disk has exactly 465 GiB. Nothing is missing.
>
> 500 GB is 500000000000 bytes. Divide that by 1024*1024*1024 and you get
> the figure in GiB.
>
> Disk manufacturers use gigabyte units (GB) as powers of 10, since ever.
> A lot of software use GB, referring to powers of 2, not of 10. This is
> confusing, so the current standard is to rename as GiB. Not all do so.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibibyte
>
>
> Your mint install has used the entire disk, destroying the previous
> installation. I'm not familiar with mint, so I can't comment on why it
> did that. I don't know if that is the default or not, optional or not.
> Sorry.
>
>




<snip>


Absolutely right!


To the OP: You wiped out your Windows installation.
If you wanted to dual boot, you should have shrunk your windows 
partition and installed Linux using the free space.

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#17158 — Re: Recovering Win7 ^ Correct^

On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 08:00:18 -0500, philo wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>
> Absolutely right!
>
>
> To the OP: You wiped out your Windows installation.
> If you wanted to dual boot, you should have shrunk your windows 
> partition and installed Linux using the free space.

I can recommend that you always use the installed OS disk tools to
shrink a OS's partition rather than a third party tool when possible.

As for the free space linux install, I use the gparted gui tool to
partition the free space however I desire, format the label the
partitions. During the install I pick the custom partitioning
selection and that way there is much less chance of screwing up some
other partition contents.

Then again I do not have a simple setup.
# blkid -s device -s LABEL -s TYPE -s PARTLABEL | sort -V
/dev/sda1: TYPE="vfat" PARTLABEL="recovery part"
/dev/sda2: LABEL="EFI SYSTEM" TYPE="vfat" PARTLABEL="EFI SYSTEM"
/dev/sda3: LABEL="Ms reserved" TYPE="ext4" PARTLABEL="Ms reserved"
/dev/sda4: LABEL="mga3" TYPE="ext4" PARTLABEL="mga3"
/dev/sda5: LABEL="mga4" TYPE="ext4" PARTLABEL="mga4"
/dev/sda6: LABEL="mga5" TYPE="ext4" PARTLABEL="mga5"
/dev/sda7: LABEL="cauldron" TYPE="ext4" PARTLABEL="cauldron"
/dev/sda8: LABEL="local" TYPE="ext4" PARTLABEL="local"
/dev/sda9: LABEL="accounts" TYPE="ext4" PARTLABEL="accounts"
/dev/sda10: LABEL="misc" TYPE="ext4" PARTLABEL="misc"
/dev/sda11: LABEL="spare" TYPE="ext4" PARTLABEL="spare"
/dev/sda12: LABEL="video" TYPE="ext4" PARTLABEL="video"
/dev/sdb1: LABEL="swap" TYPE="swap" PARTLABEL="swap"
/dev/sdb2: LABEL="bk_up" TYPE="ext4" PARTLABEL="bk_up"
/dev/sdb3: LABEL="hotbu" TYPE="ext4" PARTLABEL="hotbu"
/dev/sdb4: LABEL="cauldron_bkup" TYPE="ext4" PARTLABEL="cauldron_bkup"
/dev/sdb5: LABEL="vmguest" TYPE="ext4" PARTLABEL="vmguest"
/dev/sdb6: LABEL="vid_bkup" TYPE="ext4" PARTLABEL="vid_bkup"
/dev/sdb7: LABEL="hh" TYPE="ext4" PARTLABEL="hh"

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#17160 — Re: Recovering Win7 ^ Correct^

On 04/05/2016 08:26 AM, Bit Twister wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 08:00:18 -0500, philo wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>
>> Absolutely right!
>>
>>
>> To the OP: You wiped out your Windows installation.
>> If you wanted to dual boot, you should have shrunk your windows
>> partition and installed Linux using the free space.
>
> I can recommend that you always use the installed OS disk tools to
> shrink a OS's partition rather than a third party tool when possible.
>
> As for the free space linux install, I use the gparted gui tool to
> partition the free space however I desire, format the label the
> partitions. During the install I pick the custom partitioning
> selection and that way there is much less chance of screwing up some
> other partition contents.
>
>

<snip>


Considering the low price of hard drives whenever I setup a dual boot 
system...I install Linux on a 2nd drive.


If I have Windows on one drive, I disconnect it while I install Linux on 
the 2nd.

Reconnect the Windows drive, update GRUB and I'm done.

No chance of a screw up.

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#17161 — Re: Recovering Win7 ^ Correct^

On 04/05/2016 07:19 AM, philo wrote:
> On 04/05/2016 08:26 AM, Bit Twister wrote:
>> On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 08:00:18 -0500, philo wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>
>>> Absolutely right!
>>>
>>>
>>> To the OP: You wiped out your Windows installation.
>>> If you wanted to dual boot, you should have shrunk your windows
>>> partition and installed Linux using the free space.
>>
>> I can recommend that you always use the installed OS disk tools to
>> shrink a OS's partition rather than a third party tool when possible.
>>
>> As for the free space linux install, I use the gparted gui tool to
>> partition the free space however I desire, format the label the
>> partitions. During the install I pick the custom partitioning
>> selection and that way there is much less chance of screwing up some
>> other partition contents.
>>
>>
>
> <snip>
>
>
> Considering the low price of hard drives whenever I setup a dual boot
> system...I install Linux on a 2nd drive.
>
>
> If I have Windows on one drive, I disconnect it while I install Linux on
> the 2nd.
>
> Reconnect the Windows drive, update GRUB and I'm done.
>
> No chance of a screw up.
	
	Well notebooks and laptops with more than one hard drive are
fairly rare on the ground and expensive.  But your advice is good
otherwise.  I have broken my Windows install on this machine more
than once, usually with no idea as to how exactly it is broken but
usually irreparable(with freely available tools). It was broken again
the last time I looked.  Windows is a useless piece of excrement.

	On the other hand the Linux has been broken only once.
	I ignored the disk size as I read the OP which led to
me typing a lot more than I wanted to do.  My external 500 Gibibyte
drive does equal 465 Gigabytes and the same is true of a Tebibyte
drive equaling <950 Gigabytes.

	This has been the rule since the days of 100 Megabyte
drives.Even my 32 Gig Flash Drive is only something over 28.8 Gigabytes.
Gigabytes.
	
	bliss

	

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#17162 — Re: Recovering Win7 ^ Correct^

On 04/05/2016 09:58 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>
dows is a useless piece of excrement.
>
>      On the other hand the Linux has been broken only once.
>      I ignored the disk size as I read the OP which led to
> me typing a lot more than I wanted to do.  My external 500 Gibibyte
> drive does equal 465 Gigabytes and the same is true of a Tebibyte
> drive equaling <950 Gigabytes.
>
>      This has been the rule since the days of 100 Megabyte
> drives.Even my 32 Gig Flash Drive is only something over 28.8 Gigabytes.
> Gigabytes.
>
>      bliss
>
>
>



Were I to ever setup a dual boot machine one one drive...I'd be sure to 
have all data backed up...including Firefox and Thunderbird profiles.


Then carefully think about what I'm doing.

Then think again.


The advice given (elsewhere) to use the tools provided with the OS you 
are working with...is a good one.

I once used Gparted (from Linux) to delete an extended Windows partition 
and it took out the entire container!


Though that was a dumb mistake, at least I realized it at once and used 
data recovery software to reverse the change! Lesson learned.

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#17168

On 05/04/16 22:44, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2016-04-05 12:53, HGW wrote:
>
>>> When I installed Mint, my win7 disappeared. Mint is using about 465
>>> gigs of my 500G drive in one partition so I think Win7 is still
>>> there somewhere on the other 35G.
>
> A 500 GB disk has exactly 465 GiB. Nothing is missing.
>
> 500 GB is 500000000000 bytes. Divide that by 1024*1024*1024 and you get
> the figure in GiB.
>
> Disk manufacturers use gigabyte units (GB) as powers of 10, since ever.
> A lot of software use GB, referring to powers of 2, not of 10. This is
> confusing, so the current standard is to rename as GiB. Not all do so.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibibyte
>
>
> Your mint install has used the entire disk, destroying the previous
> installation. I'm not familiar with mint, so I can't comment on why it
> did that. I don't know if that is the default or not, optional or not.
> Sorry.

Well I was afraid that might have happened, not that I want to use 
windows much at all. I much prefer Linux but I'm doing a  bit of 3D 
printing and Linux does not cater well for that. Mint does not use the 
right Ubuntu version.

>
>>> It should also be able to show you the partition space allocated to
>>> Windows 7.
>>
>> No, it does not recognize it at all.
>
> Then it does not exist. It has been destroyed.
>
> Open a terminal in Linux, then using su or sudo run
>
>   fdisk -l
>
> to display the partitions. Or alternatively, run:
>
>   lsblk

Yes it appears that Linux is using all sectors...so I have lost Windows.
I might add that I had no trouble adjusting the windows partitions and 
installing Linux on my three other computers. It was only on this Lenovo 
laptop that the problem occurred.  Fortunately It was fairly new and did 
not have anything of value on it that wasn't backed up.

>> I don't have the windows disks so I don't want to format he whole hard
>> drive.
>
> Then you will have to get one...

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#17169

On 04/05/2016 12:18 PM, HGW wrote:

<snip>
>
> Yes it appears that Linux is using all sectors...so I have lost Windows.
> I might add that I had no trouble adjusting the windows partitions and
> installing Linux on my three other computers. It was only on this Lenovo
> laptop that the problem occurred.  Fortunately It was fairly new and did
> not have anything of value on it that wasn't backed up.
>
>>> I don't have the windows disks so I don't want to format he whole hard
>>> drive.
>>
>> Then you will have to get one...
>
>
>



Boot with your Windows DVD and delete everything and start over...
be sure not to use the entire drive when you reinstall.

Once it's time to install Linux...be sure to use only that which is 
designated as free space.

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#17183

On 2016-04-05 20:30, philo wrote:

> Boot with your Windows DVD and delete everything and start over...
> be sure not to use the entire drive when you reinstall.
> 
> Once it's time to install Linux...be sure to use only that which is
> designated as free space.

Yes, this is the best method by far.

Although it seems that not all Windows install disks allow this
procedure, they just go ahead and install on the whole disk. Probably
these are OEM disks, not Windows originals.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#17191

On 04/06/2016 05:44 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2016-04-05 20:30, philo wrote:
>
>> Boot with your Windows DVD and delete everything and start over...
>> be sure not to use the entire drive when you reinstall.
>>
>> Once it's time to install Linux...be sure to use only that which is
>> designated as free space.
>
> Yes, this is the best method by far.
>
> Although it seems that not all Windows install disks allow this
> procedure, they just go ahead and install on the whole disk. Probably
> these are OEM disks, not Windows originals.
>



I've never done an OEM install, but if that happened...once booted to 
Windows, I'd just shrink the partition.

That said...The Linux installer should have been able to do that, I 
wonder if the OP just missed that step?

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#17196

On 06/04/16 18:08, philo wrote:
> On 04/06/2016 05:44 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2016-04-05 20:30, philo wrote:
>>
>>> Boot with your Windows DVD and delete everything and start over...
>>> be sure not to use the entire drive when you reinstall.
>>>
>>> Once it's time to install Linux...be sure to use only that which is
>>> designated as free space.
>>
>> Yes, this is the best method by far.
>>
>> Although it seems that not all Windows install disks allow this
>> procedure, they just go ahead and install on the whole disk. Probably
>> these are OEM disks, not Windows originals.
>>
>
>
>
> I've never done an OEM install, but if that happened...once booted to
> Windows, I'd just shrink the partition.
>
> That said...The Linux installer should have been able to do that, I
> wonder if the OP just missed that step?
it can and it does, but you have to understand that you need to do that

It says 'install over windows' which to a actual looks doesn't seem to 
imply the windows will be zapped

-- 
You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a 
kind word alone.

Al Capone

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#17156

On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 20:53:13 +1000, HGW wrote:
> On 05/04/16 15:18, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

>> Gparted should be able to re-size your Linux partitions.
>
> It will not allow that. Even when I booted with the CD I could not do
> anything with the mint partition. I cannot unmount the partition because
> it is in use.

Just for fun, download the 459M systemrescuecd from
    http://www.sysresccd.org/Download
and use it. Instructions for loading it on a usb is on that page if
you do not want to burn a cd.


Boot it, hit 2 carriage returns to take defaults, enter startx,
Third icon bottom left is a gui gparted. Click it and you should be
able to select disk/partition to do whatever you like.

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#17175

On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 15:01:10 +1000, HGW wrote:
>
> When I installed Mint, my win7 disappeared. Mint is using about 465
> gigs of my 500G drive in one partition so I think Win7 is still there
> somewhere on the other 35G. That happened on a 64 system. I had no
> trouble installing linux with dual boot on two other 32 computers
> I have tried numerous suggestions to reestablish a dual boot but
> nothing seems to work. I notice many other people have had this
> experience because the 64 installation process does not make clear how
> to prevent the problem from happening.
> Ideally, I want to set up grub to allow boot options again. I also
> want to resize the current partition used by Linux. I tried rebooting
> with the CD with no result. Tried boot repair and Gparted but just end
> up against a wall of error messages. If I reformat the drive I might
> lose Win7 altogether and would prefer not to do that.

As others already said, you've likely wiped your Windows partition when
installing Linux. Only you know why.

But if not you shall in any case get a Grub boot menu. All you do is hit
any key but ENTER when you see the menu to stop the count down. If there
is a Windows partition you can select it with the cursor keys and then
hit ENTER.
-- 
Andreas

I use a Unix based operating system, which means I get laid almost as often
as I have to reboot my computer.

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