Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows

From	albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst)
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows
Date	2016-10-03 12:57 +0200
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In article <nst5tg$fnc$1@dont-email.me>,
Cecil Bayona  <cbayona@cbayona.com> wrote:
>
>
>On 10/3/2016 2:32 AM, Elizabeth D. Rather wrote:
>> On 10/2/16 1:00 PM, Bernd Paysan wrote:
>>> Am Sat, 01 Oct 2016 15:31:03 -1000 schrieb Elizabeth D. Rather:
>>>
>>>> On 10/1/16 2:10 PM, Bernd Paysan wrote:
>>>>> However, IIRC, the editor commands lived in a special editor
>>>>> vocabulary, and only L was visible by default, switching to the editor
>>>>> vocabulary when used.  That way, all those one-letter editor words like
>>>>> I (insert) did not collide with normal Forth words.
>>>>>
>>>>> In SwiftForth, B and N are globally visible, though.
>>>>
>>>> True. SwiftForth doesn't have an internal editor, because it can
>>>> interface well to external editors. Incidentally, there were 3 versions
>>>> of I in earlier FORTH, Inc. products: the loop version, the editor
>>>> version (Insert), and the assembler version (the register or location
>>>> used for the Interpreter pointer), each in the appropriate wordlist, of
>>>> course.
>>>
>>> Still begs the question if resurrecting the EDITOR vocabulary for these
>>> few words might be useful.
>>
>> It could be done in a heartbeat if anyone complained of problems with
>> these words. AFAIK no one has.
>>
>>> Actually, the Gforth LOCATE browser does read
>>> in the file in a way that is usable for a PolyForth-style editor, and
>>> adding such a simple editor would be just a few dozen lines.  Or adding a
>>> full-screen editor maybe would be a line or two more (don't know how
>>> many ;-).  I would use the command line editor to edit the individual
>>> lines, which then would give features like tab completion "for free".
>>
>> The basic polyFORTH editor was 16 lines, with a second block added to
>> provide a "screen editor". It was discarded because most of our users
>> preferred programmers' editors that they used in other projects, so it
>> hardly seemed worthwhile to modify it to work in files rather than blocks.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Elizabeth
>>
>I could see where a block editor might be handy even as a general
>purpose editor, specially in embedded systems where the CPUs keep having
>more and more memory, some up to 2 Megabytes, plenty for programs and
>locally edit some files with a simple editor which might be faster than
>downloading the whole source from a PC.

I implemented a screen editor for MSDOS. This provides easy experimenting
with new facilities in the screens. It works directly on the video buffer.
Apart from the Wordstar move by char, move by word, it stacks deleted
lines and words, and they are visible on the bottom of the screen,
where they can be undeleted. With slightly over a dozen single character
control commands, it is by far the most practical screen editor I've
ever seen. E.g. to duplicate a line
^Y    delete a line appears at the bottom
^U    insert it
^U    insert it again

This is also useful for a booting Forth, switching back to real mode
to access the video buffer, and accessing the large memory of the
machine in 32 bits protected mode.

In a situation where you use a pc as a terminal to connect to a sbc,
it doesn't make sense to try have a screen editor on the sbc.
It is easier to transport a screen to the pc, use a screen editor there,
and transport it back. Almost everybody will save it to a small file,
edit that, and check whether it fits while uploading.
Or do it the Commodore 64/ BASIC way. Fool around on the PC screen,
insert and delete chars here and there. Then mark an area with the
mouse and press a special key to transfer it back to the sbc.

As there is just one block-file for all ciforth versions
the MSDOS editor can be found in forth.lab for lina32/lina64.
It can be made to work on Linux by using TERMCAP or infocmp,
with the same front end of the editor, any takers?

>--
>Cecil - k5nwa

Groetjes Albert
-- 
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Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-09-30 01:33 +0000
  Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-09-30 15:16 +0100
    Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-09-30 16:26 +0000
      Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-09-30 19:50 +0100
        Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-09-30 20:34 +0000
          Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-10-02 11:14 +0100
            Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-10-02 16:29 +0000
              Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-10-02 22:47 +0000
          Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows jjmail9@gmail.com - 2016-10-19 04:45 -0700
        Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@zxdehrnyya.cam> - 2016-09-30 17:28 -0400
          Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-09-30 22:14 +0000
          Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-10-01 19:42 +0100
        Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-10-01 07:08 +0000
          Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-10-02 11:23 +0100
            Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-10-02 16:14 +0000
              Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-10-02 12:14 -0500
              Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-10-02 19:45 +0200
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-10-03 07:43 +0000
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-10-03 12:51 +0100
        Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-10-02 12:07 +0100
          Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-10-02 22:39 +0000
      Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-30 14:36 -0700
        Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-10-01 07:46 +0000
          Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-01 12:12 -0700
          Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-10-02 19:51 -0700
      Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-09-30 22:09 +0000
        Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-09-30 13:25 -1000
          Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-10-02 00:10 +0000
            Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-10-01 15:31 -1000
              Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-10-02 23:00 +0000
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-10-02 21:32 -1000
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-10-03 03:46 -0500
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-10-02 23:25 -1000
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-10-03 12:57 +0200
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-10-03 04:31 -0700
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-10-04 09:18 +0000
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-10-04 21:57 +0000
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows jjmail9@gmail.com - 2016-10-19 06:47 -0700
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-10-21 20:22 +0000
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-10-04 12:40 -1000
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows jjmail9@gmail.com - 2016-10-19 08:37 -0700
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-10-19 11:29 -0500
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows jjmail9@gmail.com - 2016-10-19 12:03 -0700
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-10-20 12:15 +0000
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-10-20 07:36 -1000
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-10-21 07:15 +0000
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-10-21 22:12 -1000
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-10-22 12:12 +0200
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-10-22 13:52 +0000
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows jjmail9@gmail.com - 2016-10-19 05:57 -0700
  Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-30 10:17 -0700
  Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Philip Smith <philipkingsmith@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 11:45 -0700
  Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows beeflo <beeflobill@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 10:51 -0700
    Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-10-11 20:44 +0000
      Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2016-10-12 01:02 +0100
        Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-10-13 00:26 +0000
          Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2016-10-13 08:48 +0100
            Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-10-13 01:09 -0700
              Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-10-14 23:39 +0000
          Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-10-14 18:05 +0100
            Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-10-14 23:29 +0000
              Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-10-15 16:26 +0000
              Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-10-17 00:52 +0000
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-10-19 10:50 +0100
      Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Spiros Lakkos <slakkos@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-12 06:50 +0300
    Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-10-11 22:42 -0700
      Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows beeflo <beeflobill@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 09:41 -0700
        Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-10-12 23:46 +0000

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