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Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows

From	Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows
Date	2016-10-19 11:29 -0500
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On 10/19/2016 10:37 AM, jjmail9@gmail.com wrote:
>      OK.  EDITOR and/or EDIT or LIST invoke the editor vocabulary so the editor words don't always interfere with other searches. That's the point of vocabularies.  Today's philosophy seems to be that every word should be seen all the time, globally, and should be unique.  But, unfortunately, this renders the use of said words difficult as commands, and harder to associate functionally.
>      I'm a native speaker of English.  That carrys certain biases as to language.  We reuse words to death.  We swim in ambiguity and grasp at new and related words like straws in the sea, attempting to reach islands of specificity.  Other languages, especially the heavily inflected ones, weave the straws into mats until there's something that floats.  Niether approach seems particularly well suited to computing.  Forth, on the other (uh, third) hand, recognizes the functional dynamics of word use and naming.  Vocabularies can do work.  Words can talk about and talk to other words.  But really, I don't think forth was ever meant to handle huge numbers of concepts, like how to manage all forms of editing or threading on every possible machine.  That's more of a data problem.
>      So the short answer to the question of why would one want any vocabulary continuously present, is, forth doesn't usually do that, with the possible exception of ROOT.
>
By using vocabularies one also helps the system to be more responsive 
since only a subset of the available words are searched for. I'm 
speaking of embedded system, on a PC the CPU is so fast that it doesn't 
make much difference.

I used to use Pygmy and it it emphasized the use of vocabularies and it 
was quite handy, the assembler had it's own vocabulary so conditionals 
used the same words one was used to but since the assembler vocabulary 
was searched first the assembler version of "IF" was found first.

Nowadays oForth, and 8th use vocabularies extensively and it makes 
things a little easier.

-- 
Cecil - k5nwa

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Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-09-30 01:33 +0000
  Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-09-30 15:16 +0100
    Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-09-30 16:26 +0000
      Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-09-30 19:50 +0100
        Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-09-30 20:34 +0000
          Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-10-02 11:14 +0100
            Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-10-02 16:29 +0000
              Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-10-02 22:47 +0000
          Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows jjmail9@gmail.com - 2016-10-19 04:45 -0700
        Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@zxdehrnyya.cam> - 2016-09-30 17:28 -0400
          Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-09-30 22:14 +0000
          Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-10-01 19:42 +0100
        Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-10-01 07:08 +0000
          Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-10-02 11:23 +0100
            Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-10-02 16:14 +0000
              Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-10-02 12:14 -0500
              Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-10-02 19:45 +0200
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-10-03 07:43 +0000
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2016-10-03 12:51 +0100
        Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-10-02 12:07 +0100
          Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-10-02 22:39 +0000
      Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-30 14:36 -0700
        Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-10-01 07:46 +0000
          Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-01 12:12 -0700
          Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-10-02 19:51 -0700
      Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-09-30 22:09 +0000
        Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-09-30 13:25 -1000
          Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-10-02 00:10 +0000
            Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-10-01 15:31 -1000
              Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-10-02 23:00 +0000
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-10-02 21:32 -1000
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-10-03 03:46 -0500
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-10-02 23:25 -1000
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-10-03 12:57 +0200
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-10-03 04:31 -0700
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-10-04 09:18 +0000
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-10-04 21:57 +0000
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows jjmail9@gmail.com - 2016-10-19 06:47 -0700
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-10-21 20:22 +0000
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-10-04 12:40 -1000
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows jjmail9@gmail.com - 2016-10-19 08:37 -0700
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Cecil Bayona <cbayona@cbayona.com> - 2016-10-19 11:29 -0500
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows jjmail9@gmail.com - 2016-10-19 12:03 -0700
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-10-20 12:15 +0000
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-10-20 07:36 -1000
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-10-21 07:15 +0000
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-10-21 22:12 -1000
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2016-10-22 12:12 +0200
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-10-22 13:52 +0000
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows jjmail9@gmail.com - 2016-10-19 05:57 -0700
  Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-30 10:17 -0700
  Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Philip Smith <philipkingsmith@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 11:45 -0700
  Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows beeflo <beeflobill@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 10:51 -0700
    Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-10-11 20:44 +0000
      Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2016-10-12 01:02 +0100
        Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-10-13 00:26 +0000
          Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2016-10-13 08:48 +0100
            Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-10-13 01:09 -0700
              Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-10-14 23:39 +0000
          Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-10-14 18:05 +0100
            Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-10-14 23:29 +0000
              Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-10-15 16:26 +0000
              Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-10-17 00:52 +0000
                Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-10-19 10:50 +0100
      Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Spiros Lakkos <slakkos@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-12 06:50 +0300
    Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-10-11 22:42 -0700
      Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows beeflo <beeflobill@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 09:41 -0700
        Re: Gforth snapshot for Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd@net2o.de> - 2016-10-12 23:46 +0000

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