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  'shake well' Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-07-03 22:33 -0400
    Re: 'shake well' Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 00:03 -0400
      Re: 'shake well' Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-03 23:05 -0700
      Re: 'shake well' occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-04 12:02 +0200
        Re: 'shake well' Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-07-04 08:46 -0400
          Re: 'shake well' Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-04 20:26 +0200
        Re: 'shake well' Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 09:28 -0400
    Re: 'shake well' Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-04 06:38 +0100
      Re: 'shake well' Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-04 08:49 +0200
    Re: 'shake well' Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-04 06:51 +0100
      Re: 'shake well' Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-07-04 08:48 -0400
    Re: 'shake well' occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-04 08:28 +0200
    Re: 'shake well' Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-04 08:43 +0200
      Re: 'shake well' Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-04 08:02 +0100
        Re: 'shake well' nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-04 11:53 +0200
        Re: 'shake well' Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-04 20:05 +0100
      Re: 'shake well' Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-07-04 22:59 +1200
        Re: 'shake well' occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-04 16:25 +0200
          Re: 'shake well' HVS <office@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> - 2026-07-04 16:11 +0100
            Re: 'shake well' Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-04 16:27 +0100
            Re: 'shake well' richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-04 15:40 +0000
              Re: 'shake well' Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-05 10:06 +0100
          Re: 'shake well' Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-07-04 16:00 +0000
          Re: 'shake well' Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-07-05 18:05 +1200
            Re: 'shake well' occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-05 08:45 +0200
      Re: 'shake well' Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-07-04 08:39 -0400
    Re: 'shake well' nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-04 11:53 +0200
      Re: 'shake well' occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-04 12:05 +0200
        Re: 'shake well' liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-04 12:29 +0100
          Re: 'shake well' Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-05 00:20 -0700
          Re: 'shake well' nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-05 09:22 +0200
    Re: 'shake well' "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 21:49 +0800
    Re: 'shake well' Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-04 20:01 +0100

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#1146158 — 'shake well'

Useful vs un-useful instructions: 

Spray paint comes in sealed containers that say "shake well" 
and that make that functional by  including inside some heavy
ball bearing -- you can listed to it rattle around, as it stirs and
mixes. 

But my lifetime experience with other sealed containers has
taught me that a juice container (say) with sediment on the
bottom will NOT be mixed by shaking unless there is air inside. 
You can shake it and SEE that the sediment is not affected. 
But they still may say, 'shake well'.  


Half-empty makes for effective mix-by-shaking. which may  be 
okay if you are pouring everything back together.  

If the container is transparent (even, just at the bottom), you
can see what is stuck on the bottom.  But what do you do for
a cardboard container? 

I have 250ml boxes of food ssupplement (like Boost or Ensure),
with a small cap; filled to the brim.  I want to pour HALF a 
container, after mixing.  I have not found a proper stick for
stirring, and I haven't tried somegthing like tying a thread on
a nut, to make a removable bounce-mixer.  

I suppose that a vibrator might work some for this mixture,
but the only 'vibrating' instrument I have is my iPhone, 
which does not shake all that vigorously. 

What do you do? 
-- 
Rich Ulrich 

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#1146159

On Fri, 03 Jul 2026 22:33:25 -0400, Rich Ulrich
<rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:

>Useful vs un-useful instructions: 
>
>Spray paint comes in sealed containers that say "shake well" 
>and that make that functional by  including inside some heavy
>ball bearing -- you can listed to it rattle around, as it stirs and
>mixes. 
>
>But my lifetime experience with other sealed containers has
>taught me that a juice container (say) with sediment on the
>bottom will NOT be mixed by shaking unless there is air inside. 
>You can shake it and SEE that the sediment is not affected. 
>But they still may say, 'shake well'.  
>
>
>Half-empty makes for effective mix-by-shaking. which may  be 
>okay if you are pouring everything back together.  
>
>If the container is transparent (even, just at the bottom), you
>can see what is stuck on the bottom.  But what do you do for
>a cardboard container? 
>
>I have 250ml boxes of food ssupplement (like Boost or Ensure),
>with a small cap; filled to the brim.  I want to pour HALF a 
>container, after mixing.  I have not found a proper stick for
>stirring, and I haven't tried somegthing like tying a thread on
>a nut, to make a removable bounce-mixer.  
>
>I suppose that a vibrator might work some for this mixture,
>but the only 'vibrating' instrument I have is my iPhone, 
>which does not shake all that vigorously. 
>
>What do you do? 

Personally, nothing.  I don't use any products that can't be shaken
with sufficient results.

However, if this is a continuing and frequent problem for you, you
might consider searching Amazon for "smoothie shakers".  You can buy a
small blender for $25 to $35.   Pour out what you can, stir it in the
blender, and pour some back into the container and shake it to loosen
the residual content.  Pour that, and the blender content, into a cup
or glass.

The two eldest grandsons (21 & 20) are health food addicts.  They make
healthy veggie, fruit, and berry smoothies ever morning laced with
protein powder and other supplements.  They work out in a gym four or
five days a week, and make smoothies after that.  They won't touch
carbonated beverages.

OK...I've covered your bitch...now for mine:  Many products -
mustards, for example - now come only in squeezable bottles.  "The
Hulk" couldn't squeeze more than 80% of the contents of any of them,
and it gets increasingly difficult to get the first 50% out.

I solve that by cutting open the squeezable bottle when I first bring
it home and using a small spatula to transfer all of the contents into
short and wide screw-top plastic containers.  Then I can use a table
knife to apply the product.  Or, a measuring spoon when adding to a
recipe.  

Actually, I re-use the 16 oz containers that Talenti Gelato comes in.
I like the product, my supermarket often has them as "bogos", and the
containers are quite useful.  

 

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#1146169

Remember when Tony Cooper bragged outrageously?  That was Friday:
> On Fri, 03 Jul 2026 22:33:25 -0400, Rich Ulrich
> <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Useful vs un-useful instructions: 
>> 
>> Spray paint comes in sealed containers that say "shake well" 
>> and that make that functional by  including inside some heavy
>> ball bearing -- you can listed to it rattle around, as it stirs and
>> mixes. 
>> 
>> But my lifetime experience with other sealed containers has
>> taught me that a juice container (say) with sediment on the
>> bottom will NOT be mixed by shaking unless there is air inside. 
>> You can shake it and SEE that the sediment is not affected. 
>> But they still may say, 'shake well'.  
>> 
>> 
>> Half-empty makes for effective mix-by-shaking. which may  be 
>> okay if you are pouring everything back together.  
>> 
>> If the container is transparent (even, just at the bottom), you
>> can see what is stuck on the bottom.  But what do you do for
>> a cardboard container? 
>> 
>> I have 250ml boxes of food ssupplement (like Boost or Ensure),
>> with a small cap; filled to the brim.  I want to pour HALF a 
>> container, after mixing.  I have not found a proper stick for
>> stirring, and I haven't tried somegthing like tying a thread on
>> a nut, to make a removable bounce-mixer.  
>> 
>> I suppose that a vibrator might work some for this mixture,
>> but the only 'vibrating' instrument I have is my iPhone, 
>> which does not shake all that vigorously. 
>> 
>> What do you do? 
>
> Personally, nothing.  I don't use any products that can't be shaken
> with sufficient results.
>
> However, if this is a continuing and frequent problem for you, you
> might consider searching Amazon for "smoothie shakers".  You can buy a
> small blender for $25 to $35.   Pour out what you can, stir it in the
> blender, and pour some back into the container and shake it to loosen
> the residual content.  Pour that, and the blender content, into a cup
> or glass.
>
> The two eldest grandsons (21 & 20) are health food addicts.  They make
> healthy veggie, fruit, and berry smoothies ever morning laced with
> protein powder and other supplements.  They work out in a gym four or
> five days a week, and make smoothies after that.  They won't touch
> carbonated beverages.
>
> OK...I've covered your bitch...now for mine:  Many products -
> mustards, for example - now come only in squeezable bottles.  "The
> Hulk" couldn't squeeze more than 80% of the contents of any of them,
> and it gets increasingly difficult to get the first 50% out.
>
> I solve that by cutting open the squeezable bottle when I first bring
> it home and using a small spatula to transfer all of the contents into
> short and wide screw-top plastic containers.  Then I can use a table
> knife to apply the product.  Or, a measuring spoon when adding to a
> recipe.  
>
> Actually, I re-use the 16 oz containers that Talenti Gelato comes in.
> I like the product, my supermarket often has them as "bogos", and the
> containers are quite useful.  

I like to use a jelly jar that way (glass cleans easily).  But for the 
source pool, I just take off the lid/top/spout/sputter and invert that 
vessel over the receiver.

That said, the Talenti gelatto containers are a nice size for various 
uses, and tend not to break if one of those uses is fasteners from the 
hardware store.

/dps

-- 
"What do you think of my cart, Miss Morland? A neat one, is not it? 
Well hung: curricle-hung in fact. Come sit by me and we'll test the 
springs."
(Speculative fiction by H.Lacedaemonian.)

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#1146185

On 04/07/2026 06:03, Tony Cooper wrote:
> OK...I've covered your bitch...now for mine:  Many products -
> mustards, for example - now come only in squeezable bottles.  "The
> Hulk" couldn't squeeze more than 80% of the contents of any of them,
> and it gets increasingly difficult to get the first 50% out.
> 
> I solve that by cutting open the squeezable bottle when I first bring
> it home and using a small spatula to transfer all of the contents into
> short and wide screw-top plastic containers.  Then I can use a table
> knife to apply the product.  Or, a measuring spoon when adding to a
> recipe.  

Cutting open plastic bottles sounds messy, especially if there is 20%
gooey fluid in there already.

Have you tried storing them upside down before use? Let gravity do the
work. I have seen some smart bottle designs where the natural resting
position of the bottle is upside down i.e. the nozzle is pointing
downwards. You uncap the nozzle and squeeze. The ketchup or mayonnaise
is already at the exit point, and it splutters out.

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#1146192

On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 12:02:10 +0200, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:

>On 04/07/2026 06:03, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> OK...I've covered your bitch...now for mine:  Many products -
>> mustards, for example - now come only in squeezable bottles.  "The
>> Hulk" couldn't squeeze more than 80% of the contents of any of them,
>> and it gets increasingly difficult to get the first 50% out.
>> 
>> I solve that by cutting open the squeezable bottle when I first bring
>> it home and using a small spatula to transfer all of the contents into
>> short and wide screw-top plastic containers.  Then I can use a table
>> knife to apply the product.  Or, a measuring spoon when adding to a
>> recipe.  
>
>Cutting open plastic bottles sounds messy, especially if there is 20%
>gooey fluid in there already.
>
>Have you tried storing them upside down before use? Let gravity do the
>work. I have seen some smart bottle designs where the natural resting
>position of the bottle is upside down i.e. the nozzle is pointing
>downwards. You uncap the nozzle and squeeze. The ketchup or mayonnaise
>is already at the exit point, and it splutters out.

My Prell shampoo has a large, flat top, so I store it upside down 
without any problem. 

My body lotion has a spout at the top, with a straw (?) running 
to the bottom -- which stops working when contents are low. 
Then, I take off the top to access the lotion. Once it is that low,
I squeeze it between other bottles, etc.,  in an upside-down position
(after shaking becomes too slow to move the lotion). 

-- 
Rich Ulrich

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#1146211

Den 04.07.2026 kl. 14.46 skrev Rich Ulrich:

> My body lotion has a spout at the top, with a straw (?) running
> to the bottom -- which stops working when contents are low.
> Then, I take off the top to access the lotion. Once it is that low,
> I squeeze it between other bottles, etc.,  in an upside-down position
> (after shaking becomes too slow to move the lotion).

I have taken a piece of cardboard and cut a circular hole in the middle 
that fits perfectly to the top of a fluid handsoap refill bottle. I push 
the cardboard around the top, remove the lid of my container and with a 
quick movement place the bottle upside-down on the open container. Then 
I can leave it for 24 hours or more, when all the soap from the refill 
has run into the container.

I of course only do that when there isn't much left in the bottle.

-- 
Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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#1146196

On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 12:02:10 +0200, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:

>On 04/07/2026 06:03, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> OK...I've covered your bitch...now for mine:  Many products -
>> mustards, for example - now come only in squeezable bottles.  "The
>> Hulk" couldn't squeeze more than 80% of the contents of any of them,
>> and it gets increasingly difficult to get the first 50% out.
>> 
>> I solve that by cutting open the squeezable bottle when I first bring
>> it home and using a small spatula to transfer all of the contents into
>> short and wide screw-top plastic containers.  Then I can use a table
>> knife to apply the product.  Or, a measuring spoon when adding to a
>> recipe.  
>
>Cutting open plastic bottles sounds messy, especially if there is 20%
>gooey fluid in there already.

No, I squirt out some first, then cut it open.
>

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#1146167

Le 04/07/2026 à 03:33, Rich Ulrich a écrit :
> 
> What do you do?


Faced with "Shake well before using", I tremble, shiver, and quake like… 
a Quaker.

Quakers are entirely without sediment. (They do get their oats, though.)

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#1146172

Den 04.07.2026 kl. 07.38 skrev Hibou:

> Le 04/07/2026 à 03:33, Rich Ulrich a écrit :
>>
>> What do you do?
> 
> 
> Faced with "Shake well before using", I tremble, shiver, and quake like… 
> a Quaker.

Reminds me of a comic strip,  Beetle Bailey, where private Zero is asked 
to shake a can of paint. We then see him jumping, skipping, shaking and 
so on - but the only item that remains steady is the can of paint.

-- 
Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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#1146168

Le 04/07/2026 à 03:33, Rich Ulrich a écrit :
> Useful vs un-useful instructions:
> 
> Spray paint comes in sealed containers that say "shake well"
> and that make that functional by  including inside some heavy
> ball bearing -- you can listed to it rattle around, as it stirs and
> mixes.
> 
> But my lifetime experience with other sealed containers has
> taught me that a juice container (say) with sediment on the
> bottom will NOT be mixed by shaking unless there is air inside.
> You can shake it and SEE that the sediment is not affected.
> But they still may say, 'shake well'.
> 
> Half-empty makes for effective mix-by-shaking. which may  be
> okay if you are pouring everything back together. [...]


What if you turn the container on its side and then tap it on a hard 
surface? Does that dislodge the sediment?

I've just tried this with a bottle of lemon juice. It worked; the 
sediment lifted off the bottom, and I could see it swirling round in the 
liquid. A few vigorous rotations sufficed to distribute it.

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#1146193

On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 06:51:17 +0100, Hibou
<vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

>Le 04/07/2026 à 03:33, Rich Ulrich a écrit :
>> Useful vs un-useful instructions:
>> 
>> Spray paint comes in sealed containers that say "shake well"
>> and that make that functional by  including inside some heavy
>> ball bearing -- you can listed to it rattle around, as it stirs and
>> mixes.
>> 
>> But my lifetime experience with other sealed containers has
>> taught me that a juice container (say) with sediment on the
>> bottom will NOT be mixed by shaking unless there is air inside.
>> You can shake it and SEE that the sediment is not affected.
>> But they still may say, 'shake well'.
>> 
>> Half-empty makes for effective mix-by-shaking. which may  be
>> okay if you are pouring everything back together. [...]
>
>
>What if you turn the container on its side and then tap it on a hard 
>surface? Does that dislodge the sediment?

Just because it sounds useful, that is something I will try.  But
 - cardboard - I can't see what works. 
>
>I've just tried this with a bottle of lemon juice. It worked; the 
>sediment lifted off the bottom, and I could see it swirling round in the 
>liquid. A few vigorous rotations sufficed to distribute it.

-- 
Rich Ulrich 

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#1146170

On 04/07/2026 04:33, Rich Ulrich wrote:
> Useful vs un-useful instructions: 
> 
> Spray paint comes in sealed containers that say "shake well" 
> and that make that functional by  including inside some heavy
> ball bearing -- you can listed to it rattle around, as it stirs and
> mixes. 
> 
> But my lifetime experience with other sealed containers has
> taught me that a juice container (say) with sediment on the
> bottom will NOT be mixed by shaking unless there is air inside. 
> You can shake it and SEE that the sediment is not affected. 
> But they still may say, 'shake well'.  
> 
> 
> Half-empty makes for effective mix-by-shaking. which may  be 
> okay if you are pouring everything back together.  
> 
> If the container is transparent (even, just at the bottom), you
> can see what is stuck on the bottom.  But what do you do for
> a cardboard container? 
> 
> I have 250ml boxes of food ssupplement (like Boost or Ensure),
> with a small cap; filled to the brim.  I want to pour HALF a 
> container, after mixing.  I have not found a proper stick for
> stirring, and I haven't tried somegthing like tying a thread on
> a nut, to make a removable bounce-mixer.  
> 
> I suppose that a vibrator might work some for this mixture,
> but the only 'vibrating' instrument I have is my iPhone, 
> which does not shake all that vigorously. 
> 
> What do you do? 

You've had the sensible suggestions. Here comes the geek suggestion:
 Drop a /clean/ steel ball bearing into the bottle (cf. spray can). Now
shake the bottle - holding it vertically - so as to force the ball
bearing to go round the base of the bottle (think Evel Knievel, riding a
motorbike in a large barrel).

[Background]  We discussed old ink bottles here in AUE in the past. This
is the method they used to use to stop inks from forming sediments in
bottles. ]

P.S. A small glass marble will also do, but these don't come as small as
ball bearings.

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#1146171

Den 04.07.2026 kl. 04.33 skrev Rich Ulrich:

> But my lifetime experience with other sealed containers has
> taught me that a juice container (say) with sediment on the
> bottom will NOT be mixed by shaking unless there is air inside.
> You can shake it and SEE that the sediment is not affected.
> But they still may say, 'shake well'.
> 
> 
> Half-empty makes for effective mix-by-shaking. which may  be
> okay if you are pouring everything back together.
> 
> If the container is transparent (even, just at the bottom), you
> can see what is stuck on the bottom.  But what do you do for
> a cardboard container?

My father provides orange juice for me when I visit him. I don't usually 
drink juice due to the acidic contents, but I enjoy doing so occasionally.

The container is made of cardboard. If it is full, I just pour a glass 
and drink it. Then I can shake the container for the next glass(es).

Related - and Danish:
There's a word about the sediment that may be found in wine bottles 
("bærme"). The same word can be used about people meaning that they are 
worthless. I haven't heard that word since my parents explained it to me 
and I haven't used it about anything else than the residue in wine 
bottles - which I think I have seen once.

-- 
Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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#1146173

Le 04/07/2026 à 07:43, Bertel Lund Hansen a écrit :
> 
> Related - and Danish:
> There's a word about the sediment that may be found in wine bottles 
> ("bærme"). The same word can be used about people meaning that they are 
> worthless. I haven't heard that word since my parents explained it to me 
> and I haven't used it about anything else than the residue in wine 
> bottles - which I think I have seen once.


In English, 'lees' in wine or beer, 'dregs' more generally, for coffee 
etc.. 'Dregs' is also used pejoratively, e.g. the dregs of society.

'Lie' in French, also used pejoratively - la lie du peuple etc..

'Lees' from Old French, 'dregs' from Old Norse (Collins). As so often in 
English, two words in a job-sharing arrangement.

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#1146181

Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

> Le 04/07/2026 à 07:43, Bertel Lund Hansen a écrit :
> > 
> > Related - and Danish:
> > There's a word about the sediment that may be found in wine bottles
> > ("bærme"). The same word can be used about people meaning that they are
> > worthless. I haven't heard that word since my parents explained it to me
> > and I haven't used it about anything else than the residue in wine 
> > bottles - which I think I have seen once.
> 
> 
> In English, 'lees' in wine or beer, 'dregs' more generally, for coffee
> etc.. 'Dregs' is also used pejoratively, e.g. the dregs of society.
> 
> 'Lie' in French, also used pejoratively - la lie du peuple etc..
> 
> 'Lees' from Old French, 'dregs' from Old Norse (Collins). As so often in
> English, two words in a job-sharing arrangement.

What have you got against Muscadet?

Jan

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#1146215

On 04/07/2026 08:02, Hibou wrote:
> Le 04/07/2026 à 07:43, Bertel Lund Hansen a écrit :
>>
>> Related - and Danish:
>> There's a word about the sediment that may be found in wine bottles 
>> ("bærme"). The same word can be used about people meaning that they 
>> are worthless. I haven't heard that word since my parents explained it 
>> to me and I haven't used it about anything else than the residue in 
>> wine bottles - which I think I have seen once.
> 
> 
> In English, 'lees' in wine or beer, 'dregs' more generally, for coffee 
> etc.. 'Dregs' is also used pejoratively, e.g. the dregs of society.
> 
> 'Lie' in French, also used pejoratively - la lie du peuple etc..
> 
> 'Lees' from Old French, 'dregs' from Old Norse (Collins). As so often in 
> English, two words in a job-sharing arrangement.
> 
Compare "bærme" with "barm", a Northern English & Scottish word for 
yeast.  People who are thought to be stupid or crazy used to be 
described as barmy.

-- 
Sam Plusnet

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#1146189

On 4/07/2026 6:43 p.m., Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Den 04.07.2026 kl. 04.33 skrev Rich Ulrich:
> 
>> But my lifetime experience with other sealed containers has
>> taught me that a juice container (say) with sediment on the
>> bottom will NOT be mixed by shaking unless there is air inside.
>> You can shake it and SEE that the sediment is not affected.
>> But they still may say, 'shake well'.
>>
>>
>> Half-empty makes for effective mix-by-shaking. which may  be
>> okay if you are pouring everything back together.
>>
>> If the container is transparent (even, just at the bottom), you
>> can see what is stuck on the bottom.  But what do you do for
>> a cardboard container?
> 
> My father provides orange juice for me when I visit him. I don't usually 
> drink juice due to the acidic contents, but I enjoy doing so occasionally.
> 
> The container is made of cardboard. If it is full, I just pour a glass 
> and drink it. Then I can shake the container for the next glass(es).
> 
> Related - and Danish:
> There's a word about the sediment that may be found in wine bottles 
> ("bærme"). The same word can be used about people meaning that they are 
> worthless. I haven't heard that word since my parents explained it to me 
> and I haven't used it about anything else than the residue in wine 
> bottles - which I think I have seen once.
> 

Cf. English: barmy (sometimes spelled balmy) 'crazy, stupid'
from barm 'froth on fermenting malt liquor'   (COD)

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#1146201

On 04/07/2026 12:59, Ross Clark wrote:
> On 4/07/2026 6:43 p.m., Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>> Den 04.07.2026 kl. 04.33 skrev Rich Ulrich:
>>
>>> But my lifetime experience with other sealed containers has
>>> taught me that a juice container (say) with sediment on the
>>> bottom will NOT be mixed by shaking unless there is air inside.
>>> You can shake it and SEE that the sediment is not affected.
>>> But they still may say, 'shake well'.
>>>
>>>
>>> Half-empty makes for effective mix-by-shaking. which may  be
>>> okay if you are pouring everything back together.
>>>
>>> If the container is transparent (even, just at the bottom), you
>>> can see what is stuck on the bottom.  But what do you do for
>>> a cardboard container?
>>
>> My father provides orange juice for me when I visit him. I don't
>> usually drink juice due to the acidic contents, but I enjoy doing so
>> occasionally.
>>
>> The container is made of cardboard. If it is full, I just pour a glass
>> and drink it. Then I can shake the container for the next glass(es).
>>
>> Related - and Danish:
>> There's a word about the sediment that may be found in wine bottles
>> ("bærme"). The same word can be used about people meaning that they
>> are worthless. I haven't heard that word since my parents explained it
>> to me and I haven't used it about anything else than the residue in
>> wine bottles - which I think I have seen once.
>>
> 
> Cf. English: barmy (sometimes spelled balmy) 'crazy, stupid'
> from barm 'froth on fermenting malt liquor'   (COD)

Sorry, which dictionary is COD? 'balmy' in my speech is 'pleasant' as in
'balmy summer nights'. It's barmy if it shares the same spelling with
'crazy' barmy.

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#1146204

On 04 Jul 2026, occam wrote

> On 04/07/2026 12:59, Ross Clark wrote:
>> On 4/07/2026 6:43 p.m., Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>>> Den 04.07.2026 kl. 04.33 skrev Rich Ulrich:
>>> 
>>>> But my lifetime experience with other sealed containers has
>>>> taught me that a juice container (say) with sediment on the
>>>> bottom will NOT be mixed by shaking unless there is air inside.
>>>> You can shake it and SEE that the sediment is not affected.
>>>> But they still may say, 'shake well'.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Half-empty makes for effective mix-by-shaking. which may  be
>>>> okay if you are pouring everything back together.
>>>> 
>>>> If the container is transparent (even, just at the bottom), you
>>>> can see what is stuck on the bottom.  But what do you do for
>>>> a cardboard container?
>>> 
>>> My father provides orange juice for me when I visit him. I don't
>>> usually drink juice due to the acidic contents, but I enjoy
>>> doing so occasionally.
>>> 
>>> The container is made of cardboard. If it is full, I just pour a
>>> glass and drink it. Then I can shake the container for the next
>>> glass(es). 
>>> 
>>> Related - and Danish:
>>> There's a word about the sediment that may be found in wine
>>> bottles ("bærme"). The same word can be used about people
>>> meaning that they are worthless. I haven't heard that word since
>>> my parents explained it to me and I haven't used it about
>>> anything else than the residue in wine bottles - which I think I
>>> have seen once. 
>>> 
>> 
>> Cf. English: barmy (sometimes spelled balmy) 'crazy, stupid'
>> from barm 'froth on fermenting malt liquor'   (COD)
> 
> Sorry, which dictionary is COD? 

Concise Oxford Dictionary, I believe.

-- 
Cheers, Harvey

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#1146206

Le 04/07/2026 à 16:11, HVS a écrit :
> On 04 Jul 2026, occam wrote
>> On 04/07/2026 12:59, Ross Clark wrote:
>>>
>>> Cf. English: barmy (sometimes spelled balmy) 'crazy, stupid'
>>> from barm 'froth on fermenting malt liquor'   (COD)
>>
>> Sorry, which dictionary is COD?
> 
> Concise Oxford Dictionary, I believe.


Very useful. It's full of COD English.

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