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Re: 'shake well'

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On 04/07/2026 08:02, Hibou wrote:
> Le 04/07/2026 à 07:43, Bertel Lund Hansen a écrit :
>>
>> Related - and Danish:
>> There's a word about the sediment that may be found in wine bottles 
>> ("bærme"). The same word can be used about people meaning that they 
>> are worthless. I haven't heard that word since my parents explained it 
>> to me and I haven't used it about anything else than the residue in 
>> wine bottles - which I think I have seen once.
> 
> 
> In English, 'lees' in wine or beer, 'dregs' more generally, for coffee 
> etc.. 'Dregs' is also used pejoratively, e.g. the dregs of society.
> 
> 'Lie' in French, also used pejoratively - la lie du peuple etc..
> 
> 'Lees' from Old French, 'dregs' from Old Norse (Collins). As so often in 
> English, two words in a job-sharing arrangement.
> 
Compare "bærme" with "barm", a Northern English & Scottish word for 
yeast.  People who are thought to be stupid or crazy used to be 
described as barmy.

-- 
Sam Plusnet

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'shake well' Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-07-03 22:33 -0400
  Re: 'shake well' Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 00:03 -0400
    Re: 'shake well' Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-03 23:05 -0700
    Re: 'shake well' occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-04 12:02 +0200
      Re: 'shake well' Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-07-04 08:46 -0400
        Re: 'shake well' Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-04 20:26 +0200
      Re: 'shake well' Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 09:28 -0400
  Re: 'shake well' Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-04 06:38 +0100
    Re: 'shake well' Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-04 08:49 +0200
  Re: 'shake well' Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-04 06:51 +0100
    Re: 'shake well' Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-07-04 08:48 -0400
  Re: 'shake well' occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-04 08:28 +0200
  Re: 'shake well' Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-04 08:43 +0200
    Re: 'shake well' Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-04 08:02 +0100
      Re: 'shake well' nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-04 11:53 +0200
      Re: 'shake well' Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-04 20:05 +0100
    Re: 'shake well' Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-07-04 22:59 +1200
      Re: 'shake well' occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-04 16:25 +0200
        Re: 'shake well' HVS <office@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> - 2026-07-04 16:11 +0100
          Re: 'shake well' Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-04 16:27 +0100
          Re: 'shake well' richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-04 15:40 +0000
            Re: 'shake well' Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-05 10:06 +0100
        Re: 'shake well' Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-07-04 16:00 +0000
        Re: 'shake well' Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-07-05 18:05 +1200
          Re: 'shake well' occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-05 08:45 +0200
    Re: 'shake well' Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-07-04 08:39 -0400
  Re: 'shake well' nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-04 11:53 +0200
    Re: 'shake well' occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-04 12:05 +0200
      Re: 'shake well' liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-04 12:29 +0100
        Re: 'shake well' Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-05 00:20 -0700
        Re: 'shake well' nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-05 09:22 +0200
  Re: 'shake well' "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-04 21:49 +0800
  Re: 'shake well' Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-04 20:01 +0100

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