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Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text)

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On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 at 08:42:37, Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote 
(my responses usually follow points raised):
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>As I just said to Grant, left-to-right or right-to-left is irrelevant. 
>So is vertical writing. As far as I know, all languages are 
>top-to-bottom.
>
Yes, I don't know of any that go upwards, either.
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>>  Trimming is an art; you can trim too much or too little. Too little 
>>is
>> far commoner, IMO.
>
>
>I agree with all three of those statements.
>
My turn to thank _you_ (-:.
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>> similar. (Twitter has a tendency to do this: I sometimes see tweets that
>> say "You're right there, especially where bacon is involved", and
>> however much I try, I can't find the tweet they're responding to.
>> [Though whichever of you doesn't use it, don't let that put you off
>> Twitter. It can be enjoyable.])
>
>
>It's me who doesn't use it. I'll take your word for it that it can be 
>enjoyable, but I'm still not interested. I'm not interested in any 
>"social media." I barely have the time for e-mail and usenet, and I'm 
>not interested in starting something else.
>
Well ... it (only slightly) irritates me that Facebook, Twitter, and the 
rest get referred to as "social media", as if it was a new thing! As far 
as I'm concerned, usenet is most definitely a social medium (!). OK, it 
has 'groups that are nominally about specific things (but then I believe 
at least Facebook does too), but even those are with very few exceptions 
prone to chat (like this thread); so, you _do_ use social medi* - and 
have been doing so since 1980 or whenever! Just not a graphical one.

As for Twitter, I started in the hope of getting signatures for a 
petition (spectacularly ineffective!), but stayed with it: I've built up 
what they call a timeline - basically people whose tweets I like to read 
- that is exclusive to me. It's not - as I use it, anyway - that unlike 
usenet, other than that it isn't divided by subject. In terms of the 
volume of text I read, it's probably similar too - granted in terms of 
actual tweets its higher, because of the size limit (280 I think). But 
don't read this as me urging you to try it: before I did (for the reason 
mentioned), I was fairly determined I wasn't going to go for any of the 
"modern" social media. I still don't do Facebook, though mainly because 
(from when I've followed a link to it) I can't stand the way it works 
technically: basically top-posting with knobs on, AFAICS 
(endlessly-loading pages).
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>>>However, note that no program can put the cursor wherever you want it 
>>>for inline posting.
>>  Well ...
>>  I like to _think_ that software that put the cursor at the top did 
>>it to
>> encourage snipping-and-inline-posting.
>
>
>Maybe, but I doubt it. I don't see why that should encourage that and I 
>don't understand the rationale for their doing it the way they did.
>
If you want to encourage snipping-and-interposting, and you put the 
cursor at the _end_ of the quoted text, then the first thing they have 
to do is scroll to the top (unless they'd composed their entire reply in 
their head).
>
>
>> Unfortunately, this happened
>> about the time usage (of news and email) was spreading sufficiently fast
>> (1980s perhaps?) that people took to it without being shown by others
>> what was good practice, so never learnt about snipping-and-inline - they
>> just assumed, since the cursor was placed at the top by the software,
>> that their entire reply should go there.
>
>
>Perhaps, but I think that for most people, because the cursor was 
>there, that meant that that was the correct place to put their reply.
>
That's what I said - *if there was no-one to teach them better*, that 
was the obvious conclusion.
>
>
>> Of course, some software developers then sealed the fate by also putting
>> the .sig above the quoted text. That was the end.
>
>
>
>Alas, yes.
>
Indeed. IIRR Dominic Jain's Quotefixes did fix that, though I can't 
remember for sure (his one for Outlook stopped working with Outlook 2007 
[the one that was part of the Office suite that introduced "ribbons"], 
though was still OK up to 2003).
>
>
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-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Dook, that was great but I think the line needs
awe. Can you do it again, giving it just a little awe?"

"Sure, George," said Wayne and looking up at the cross said:
"Aw, truly this man is the son of God."
(recounted in Radio Times, 30 March-5 April 2013.)

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        Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-26 10:45 -0700
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                Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-26 18:39 -0600
                Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-27 09:15 -0700
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                OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2021-04-28 16:14 +0100
                Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-28 08:42 -0700
                Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2021-04-28 17:42 +0100
                Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-28 10:07 -0700
                Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2021-04-28 18:37 +0100
                Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2021-04-28 16:59 +0100
                Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-28 10:45 -0600
                Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2021-04-28 17:50 +0100
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                Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2021-04-28 18:10 +0100
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                Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-27 10:26 -0700
                Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-27 12:28 -0600
                Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-28 08:23 -0700
                Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-28 10:50 -0600
                Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-28 10:51 -0600
                Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-28 10:15 -0700
                Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-28 11:48 -0600
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