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| From | Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | uk.tech.broadcast, alt.comp.software.thunderbird |
| Subject | Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text |
| Date | 2021-04-28 08:20 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ietcpnFp26mU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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Cross-posted to 2 groups.
On 4/27/2021 11:26 AM, Grant Taylor wrote: > On 4/27/21 10:15 AM, Ken Blake wrote: >> And all (almost all?) other languages. > > I know that there are some languages that don't use the Left to Right / > Top to Bottom scheme. Left-to-right, yes, but that's irrelevant to what I said. I don't know of any languages that are not top-to-bottom; do you? > > English used to use serpentine back and forth (left to right and then > right to left and then left to right...) Boustrophedon, but I don't think English ever did that. Ancient Greek did. > top to bottom before written > English was standardized. > >> My point is simply that if someone asks me a question like >> >> How old are you? >> >> and I reply >> >> 83. >> >> > How old are you? >> >> even though it's illogical and wrong, it's *very* easy to read and >> understand the reply. > > That example is easy. > > 25 > > > How old are you? > > 27 > > > How old is your older sister? > > 23 > > > How old is your older brother? > > 20 > > > How old is your younger brother? > > 5 > > > How long have you been at your job? > > 3 > > > How old is your niece? > > Now, quickly, what question is 23 an answer to? That's not top-posting, that's interspersed posting, and a weird combination of top-interspersed posting. I've never seen anyone do that. > > Each pair of questions and answers, in their own vacuum is / can be > largely independent of order. But when you start having multiple pairs > close to each other without clear separation can get quite confusing. > Especially if there are more Q & A pairs than will fit on the screen. > (I'll spare us all the time of adding about 20 more Q & A pairs.) > >> Contrast that with >> >> 83 >> >> two screens full of quoted material ending with >> >> > How old are you? >> >> *That* is very hard to read and understand the reply without scrolling >> all the way to end and then perhaps back up to reread the reply (unless >> you remember the question from whenever it was asked (which I seldom do). > > Agreed. > >> That's the reason why in my opinion, sufficient trimming is often more >> important than whether someone top posts or bottom posts > > Trimming implies that there is content not directly related tot he > reply. A series of 20 questions and 20 associated answers is not > subject to such trimming. ;-) Right. Trimming is not the answer to everything. > >> As do I, as you can see from my reply here. > > :-) > >> Once again, my only point is that regardless of what you and I prefer, >> for simple replies to simple points that have been trimmed to fit on a >> single screen, it's not as important as it it sometime is in other cases. > > I largely agree with your statement. However, it fails to take into > account the number of questions and answer pairings and how easy it is > to conflate them between pairings. No, it *does* take that into account. Note that I didn't say trimming always takes away the top-posting problem. I said "for simple replies to simple points that have been trimmed." > >> And despite what some people say, as far as I'm concerned, that goes for >> e-mail as well as usenet posts. Top-posting is not a good way to do it. > > I'll expand it to any written medium. Probably any recorded medium > (including audio and video). > >> Of course. We basically agree on everything here except the minor (to >> me) point of a brief answer to a statement or point that all fits on a >> single screen. We agree that it's wrong, but disagree on how much of a >> problem it usually is. > > I agree that full content, both question and answer, fitting on one > screen can be largely indifferent. Glad to hear it. That was almost my only point. > Though I strongly prefer to always use a singular pattern that works in > all cases; namely inline posting, in logical / chronological order. As I said, so do I. >> However, note that no program can put the cursor wherever you want it >> for inline posting. > > I largely agre. > > Though for short single Q / A messages, defaulting the cursor to below > the Q is the proper location to start the A. Yes. Again, I agree that's the right way to do it, but the wrong way doesn't matter very much "for simple replies to simple points that have been trimmed to fit on a single screen." >> By the way, I might be wrong, but I think it was Microsoft that in its >> programs (Outlook and Outlook Express) started the habit of >> top-posting--something that many other programs copied and many people >> also copied, thinking that since their program puts the cursor there, >> that was the *correct* way to do it. > > Agreed. > >> Another by the way: every now and then I write to some come company, >> either asking a question or making a request, and their reply often >> contains a note warning me that if I don't don't top-post when replying >> to their reply, my message will be ignored. That always pisses me off, >> but I do as they say, since I wouldn't have written if I didn't think it >> was important. > > I agree. > > I recently ran into that while talking to support for something. I > ended up copying their points to above the "#REPLY ABOVE THIS LINE#" and > using my traditional inline style of point / response. I've several times thought about doing that, but I decided it was risky and didn't. > I also trimmed what I thought was boiler plate between the #REPLY..." > line and what looked like the final #Ticket#... line. -- Ken
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Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2021-04-25 09:28 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text MB <MB@nospam.net> - 2021-04-25 10:11 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Jim S <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> - 2021-04-25 10:25 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2021-04-25 10:47 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text MB <MB@nospam.net> - 2021-04-25 11:04 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Chris Youlden <fbx@youlden.co.uk> - 2021-04-25 12:13 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2021-04-25 12:27 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Chris Youlden <fbx@youlden.co.uk> - 2021-04-26 12:33 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2021-04-26 09:11 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2021-04-26 09:19 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-26 07:55 -0700
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text MB <MB@nospam.net> - 2021-04-26 17:11 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2021-04-26 16:47 +0000
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-26 10:45 -0700
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Marc Auslander <marcausl@gmail.com> - 2021-04-26 14:04 -0400
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2021-04-26 18:20 +0000
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-26 11:44 -0700
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-26 16:02 -0600
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-26 16:49 -0700
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-26 18:39 -0600
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-27 09:15 -0700
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-27 12:26 -0600
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-28 08:20 -0700
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-28 10:37 -0600
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Laurence Taylor <laurence@nospam.plus.com> - 2021-04-28 21:40 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text MB <MB@nospam.net> - 2021-04-28 22:01 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> - 2021-04-29 09:19 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Miguel Tomar Nogueira <mnogueira@mail.telepac.pt> - 2021-04-28 02:29 +0000
OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2021-04-28 16:14 +0100
Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-28 08:42 -0700
Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2021-04-28 17:42 +0100
Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-28 10:07 -0700
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Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2021-04-28 16:59 +0100
Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-28 10:45 -0600
Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2021-04-28 17:50 +0100
Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-28 10:57 -0600
Re: OT: posting/emailing style (was: Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text) "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2021-04-28 18:10 +0100
Re: OT: posting/emailing style Richmond <richmond@criptext.com> - 2021-04-28 20:33 +0100
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Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-26 16:01 -0600
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Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-26 16:57 -0700
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-26 18:56 -0600
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-27 09:32 -0700
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-27 10:59 -0600
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-27 10:26 -0700
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-27 12:28 -0600
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-28 08:23 -0700
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-28 10:50 -0600
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-28 10:51 -0600
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-28 10:15 -0700
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-04-28 11:48 -0600
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-28 10:58 -0700
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2021-04-26 20:00 +0100
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> - 2021-04-26 12:25 -0700
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2021-04-26 16:26 -0500
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Miguel Tomar Nogueira <mnogueira@mail.telepac.pt> - 2021-04-27 05:07 +0000
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text Bill H <bhtemp99@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2021-04-26 09:06 -0700
Re: Thunderbird - disabling display of quoted text VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2021-04-26 15:54 -0500
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