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  Desktop Runtime ? casagiannoni@optonline.net - 2025-04-16 15:27 -0400
    Re: Desktop Runtime ? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-16 15:33 -0400
      Re: Desktop Runtime ? casagiannoni@optonline.net - 2025-04-16 18:55 -0400
        Re: Desktop Runtime ? casagiannoni@optonline.net - 2025-04-16 18:58 -0400
        Re: Desktop Runtime ? casagiannoni@optonline.net - 2025-04-16 19:00 -0400
        Re: Desktop Runtime ? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-16 19:55 -0400
          Re: Desktop Runtime ? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 00:24 -0400
            Re: Desktop Runtime ? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-17 08:34 -0400
              Re: Desktop Runtime ? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 11:53 -0400
                Re: Desktop Runtime ? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-17 13:55 -0400
            Re: Desktop Runtime ? "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-04-19 05:11 -0400
              Re: Desktop Runtime ? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-19 07:29 -0400
                Re: Desktop Runtime ? "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-04-19 11:10 -0400
                  Re: Desktop Runtime ? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-19 12:11 -0400
                    Re: Desktop Runtime ? "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 13:02 -0400
    Re: Desktop Runtime ? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-16 17:03 -0400
    Re: Desktop Runtime ? "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-04-16 19:28 -0400

#183730 — Desktop Runtime ?

Revo Uninstaller shows 2 items that differ somewhat. When I tried
deleting one, somthing else reported that it was needed to run
something and I had to reinstall. Really doesn't seem to matter, but
what are these? New computer running Windows 11, I think.

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#183731

On 4/16/2025 3:27 PM, casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:
> Revo Uninstaller shows 2 items that differ somewhat. When I tried
> deleting one, somthing else reported that it was needed to run
> something and I had to reinstall. Really doesn't seem to matter, but
> what are these? New computer running Windows 11, I think.
> 

What are what two things?

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#183741

On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 15:33:17 -0400, Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam>
wrote:

>On 4/16/2025 3:27 PM, casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:
>> Revo Uninstaller shows 2 items that differ somewhat. When I tried
>> deleting one, somthing else reported that it was needed to run
>> something and I had to reinstall. Really doesn't seem to matter, but
>> what are these? New computer running Windows 11, I think.
>> 
>
>What are what two things?

Microsoft Windows Desktop Runtimr 6.0.36 (x64)
Size 210.91 MB
Version 6.0.36.34217

Microsoft Windows Desktop Runtimr 8.0.15 (x64)
Size 217.09 MB
Version 8.0.15.34718

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#183742

On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 18:55:10 -0400, casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 15:33:17 -0400, Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam>
>wrote:
>
>>On 4/16/2025 3:27 PM, casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:
>>> Revo Uninstaller shows 2 items that differ somewhat. When I tried
>>> deleting one, somthing else reported that it was needed to run
>>> something and I had to reinstall. Really doesn't seem to matter, but
>>> what are these? New computer running Windows 11, I think.
>>> 
>>
>>What are what two things?
>
>Microsoft Windows Desktop Runtimr 6.0.36 (x64)
>Size 210.91 MB
>Version 6.0.36.34217
>
>Microsoft Windows Desktop Runtimr 8.0.15 (x64)
>Size 217.09 MB
>Version 8.0.15.34718

1st line should be Runtime

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#183743

On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 18:55:10 -0400, casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 15:33:17 -0400, Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam>
>wrote:
>
>>On 4/16/2025 3:27 PM, casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:
>>> Revo Uninstaller shows 2 items that differ somewhat. When I tried
>>> deleting one, somthing else reported that it was needed to run
>>> something and I had to reinstall. Really doesn't seem to matter, but
>>> what are these? New computer running Windows 11, I think.
>>> 
>>
>>What are what two things?
>
>Microsoft Windows Desktop Runtimr 6.0.36 (x64)
>Size 210.91 MB
>Version 6.0.36.34217
>
>Microsoft Windows Desktop Runtimr 8.0.15 (x64)
>Size 217.09 MB
>Version 8.0.15.34718

( both should be Runtime )

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#183745

On 4/16/2025 6:55 PM, casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:

>> What are what two things?
> 
> Microsoft Windows Desktop Runtimr 6.0.36 (x64)
> Size 210.91 MB
> Version 6.0.36.34217
> 
> Microsoft Windows Desktop Runtimr 8.0.15 (x64)
> Size 217.09 MB
> Version 8.0.15.34718
> 

   That's interesting. I never noticed it before. I also have both.
But I have 7 and 8. They seem to be the .Net runtimes
7 and 8. I don't know why they call it a desktop runtime,
or even a runtime. They used to call it a framework. Apparently
it's desktop in the sense of being for "desktop software". Maybe
MS did that to cover the embarassing fact that .Net was
never designed for, and has never been well suited to, Desktop
software. Like Java, it's slow, bloated, JIT compiled, optimized
for RAD development of serverside applets.

     I just uninstalled v. 7 with no apparent
ill effects. Like any .Net runtime, whether you need it will depend
on what software you use. I never knowingly use .Net software,
but I may have tried some program that installed these without
asking.

  So, long story short, you shouldn't need them, but it's possible
that you're using .Net software developed with those version
numbers, so it would break if you remove the runtime. These
.Net libraries and ASP Core could also be connected with the Metro
applets, though Metro system settings still works fine for me
with #7 gone.

Looking in Windows\Insytaller I see that I have nearly 60 MB
in two MSI files that are both the 8.0.3 runtime installers, but
have slightly different dates and sizes. I'm repeatedly astonished
at how much bloated crap MS have stashed in Win10/11.

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#183750

On Wed, 4/16/2025 7:55 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
> On 4/16/2025 6:55 PM, casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:
> 
>>> What are what two things?
>>
>> Microsoft Windows Desktop Runtimr 6.0.36 (x64)
>> Size 210.91 MB
>> Version 6.0.36.34217
>>
>> Microsoft Windows Desktop Runtimr 8.0.15 (x64)
>> Size 217.09 MB
>> Version 8.0.15.34718
>>
> 
>   That's interesting. I never noticed it before. I also have both.
> But I have 7 and 8. They seem to be the .Net runtimes
> 7 and 8. I don't know why they call it a desktop runtime,
> or even a runtime. They used to call it a framework. Apparently
> it's desktop in the sense of being for "desktop software". Maybe
> MS did that to cover the embarassing fact that .Net was
> never designed for, and has never been well suited to, Desktop
> software. Like Java, it's slow, bloated, JIT compiled, optimized
> for RAD development of serverside applets.
> 
>     I just uninstalled v. 7 with no apparent
> ill effects. Like any .Net runtime, whether you need it will depend
> on what software you use. I never knowingly use .Net software,
> but I may have tried some program that installed these without
> asking.
> 
>  So, long story short, you shouldn't need them, but it's possible
> that you're using .Net software developed with those version
> numbers, so it would break if you remove the runtime. These
> .Net libraries and ASP Core could also be connected with the Metro
> applets, though Metro system settings still works fine for me
> with #7 gone.
> 
> Looking in Windows\Insytaller I see that I have nearly 60 MB
> in two MSI files that are both the 8.0.3 runtime installers, but
> have slightly different dates and sizes. I'm repeatedly astonished
> at how much bloated crap MS have stashed in Win10/11.

I have no idea what would trigger this. The maintenance the
Windows Update does, is for V4 mostly. The only way these might be
managed, is by bunging in a blob every once in a while (like
a forklift install), rather than being a patch. And if that is
the case, why don't these show in Programs and Features control panel ?

https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download/dotnet/6.0

https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download/dotnet/8.0

You would expect a thing like Paint.NET to be associated with
crazy stuff like this. And some applications with exotic runtime
requirements, trigger the download of the essential package
their own selves. Inviting the items in.

I tried to look up the "what versions am I running" issue, and
it's still handled in the same cack-handed way it always was. But,
without Aaron Stebner ("netfx_setupverifier.exe") to help us.
Support for that stopped around 2018 or so.

   Paul

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#183763

On 4/17/2025 12:24 AM, Paul wrote:

> I have no idea what would trigger this. The maintenance the
> Windows Update does, is for V4 mostly. The only way these might be
> managed, is by bunging in a blob every once in a while (like
> a forklift install), rather than being a patch. And if that is
> the case, why don't these show in Programs and Features control panel ?
> 
> https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download/dotnet/6.0
> 
> https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download/dotnet/8.0
> 
> You would expect a thing like Paint.NET to be associated with
> crazy stuff like this. And some applications with exotic runtime
> requirements, trigger the download of the essential package
> their own selves. Inviting the items in.
> 
> I tried to look up the "what versions am I running" issue, and
> it's still handled in the same cack-handed way it always was. But,
> without Aaron Stebner ("netfx_setupverifier.exe") to help us.
> Support for that stopped around 2018 or so.
> 

    The #8 that I have remaining has an install date of 5/10/24.
Both were listed under installed programs. 5/24 is after I
stopped allowing Microsoft updates. If I installed a program
that tried to go online to download a Framework then I
would have stopped it via firewall and cancelled the installation.
So that seems to leave some kind of software that packed the
runtime into an installer.

   What might do that? There is one thing that fits the bill. I
installed Intel Arc display controller on the same day. It's incredibly
bloated. 820 MB for a ridiculously theatrical black Metro window
with "special effects", all just to control hue, saturation and
brightness, which don't show up in the Win10 display settings.
(Separate from the Intel display driver, which is 720 MB
compressed!) Could Win10/11 graphics settings be any worse
than they are? They range across several different nested
windows, yet don't provide anywhere near the number of Windows
options or display driver adjustments that older Windows provided
all from one handy, well designed applet.

    OK, so let's try uninstalling #8 runtime.... Intel Arc still
works. Though now I'm wondering why I haven't uninstalled
that. Will I ever need to adjust hue and brightness again?
Do I really want to waste a GB of space for that? Is Intel
secretly making all the SSDs and trying to fill them up so
they can sell more? ... I can only guess that Intel threw in
this crap as a favor to Microsoft.

   I also tried out several incredibly bloated text editors back
then, like Atom and Sublime. I had decided to make my own
improved version of Notepad and first went out to see whether
it already existed. (I was surprised to find lots of useless and
overdesigned editors that gave me all sorts of options for
colors and panels, but shoehorned in far too much unnecessary
stuff.) The editors were bloated enough to have snuck in a
.Net runtime, but the dates don't correspond.

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#183769

On Thu, 4/17/2025 8:34 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
> On 4/17/2025 12:24 AM, Paul wrote:
> 
>> I have no idea what would trigger this. The maintenance the
>> Windows Update does, is for V4 mostly. The only way these might be
>> managed, is by bunging in a blob every once in a while (like
>> a forklift install), rather than being a patch. And if that is
>> the case, why don't these show in Programs and Features control panel ?
>>
>> https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download/dotnet/6.0
>>
>> https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download/dotnet/8.0
>>
>> You would expect a thing like Paint.NET to be associated with
>> crazy stuff like this. And some applications with exotic runtime
>> requirements, trigger the download of the essential package
>> their own selves. Inviting the items in.
>>
>> I tried to look up the "what versions am I running" issue, and
>> it's still handled in the same cack-handed way it always was. But,
>> without Aaron Stebner ("netfx_setupverifier.exe") to help us.
>> Support for that stopped around 2018 or so.
>>
> 
>    The #8 that I have remaining has an install date of 5/10/24.
> Both were listed under installed programs. 5/24 is after I
> stopped allowing Microsoft updates. If I installed a program
> that tried to go online to download a Framework then I
> would have stopped it via firewall and cancelled the installation.
> So that seems to leave some kind of software that packed the
> runtime into an installer.
> 
>   What might do that? There is one thing that fits the bill. I
> installed Intel Arc display controller on the same day. It's incredibly
> bloated. 820 MB for a ridiculously theatrical black Metro window
> with "special effects", all just to control hue, saturation and
> brightness, which don't show up in the Win10 display settings.
> (Separate from the Intel display driver, which is 720 MB
> compressed!) Could Win10/11 graphics settings be any worse
> than they are? They range across several different nested
> windows, yet don't provide anywhere near the number of Windows
> options or display driver adjustments that older Windows provided
> all from one handy, well designed applet.
> 
>    OK, so let's try uninstalling #8 runtime.... Intel Arc still
> works. Though now I'm wondering why I haven't uninstalled
> that. Will I ever need to adjust hue and brightness again?
> Do I really want to waste a GB of space for that? Is Intel
> secretly making all the SSDs and trying to fill them up so
> they can sell more? ... I can only guess that Intel threw in
> this crap as a favor to Microsoft.
> 
>   I also tried out several incredibly bloated text editors back
> then, like Atom and Sublime. I had decided to make my own
> improved version of Notepad and first went out to see whether
> it already existed. (I was surprised to find lots of useless and
> overdesigned editors that gave me all sorts of options for
> colors and panels, but shoehorned in far too much unnecessary
> stuff.) The editors were bloated enough to have snuck in a
> .Net runtime, but the dates don't correspond.

I don't know what Microsoft is trying to do with .NET.
I thought that ship had mostly sunk :-)

And a gigabyte of space for a utility ? Does it
have a hidden game in it with textures or something ?

   Paul

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#183772

On 4/17/2025 11:53 AM, Paul wrote:
> On Thu, 4/17/2025 8:34 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
>> On 4/17/2025 12:24 AM, Paul wrote:
>>
>>> I have no idea what would trigger this. The maintenance the
>>> Windows Update does, is for V4 mostly. The only way these might be
>>> managed, is by bunging in a blob every once in a while (like
>>> a forklift install), rather than being a patch. And if that is
>>> the case, why don't these show in Programs and Features control panel ?
>>>
>>> https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download/dotnet/6.0
>>>
>>> https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download/dotnet/8.0
>>>
>>> You would expect a thing like Paint.NET to be associated with
>>> crazy stuff like this. And some applications with exotic runtime
>>> requirements, trigger the download of the essential package
>>> their own selves. Inviting the items in.
>>>
>>> I tried to look up the "what versions am I running" issue, and
>>> it's still handled in the same cack-handed way it always was. But,
>>> without Aaron Stebner ("netfx_setupverifier.exe") to help us.
>>> Support for that stopped around 2018 or so.
>>>
>>
>>     The #8 that I have remaining has an install date of 5/10/24.
>> Both were listed under installed programs. 5/24 is after I
>> stopped allowing Microsoft updates. If I installed a program
>> that tried to go online to download a Framework then I
>> would have stopped it via firewall and cancelled the installation.
>> So that seems to leave some kind of software that packed the
>> runtime into an installer.
>>
>>    What might do that? There is one thing that fits the bill. I
>> installed Intel Arc display controller on the same day. It's incredibly
>> bloated. 820 MB for a ridiculously theatrical black Metro window
>> with "special effects", all just to control hue, saturation and
>> brightness, which don't show up in the Win10 display settings.
>> (Separate from the Intel display driver, which is 720 MB
>> compressed!) Could Win10/11 graphics settings be any worse
>> than they are? They range across several different nested
>> windows, yet don't provide anywhere near the number of Windows
>> options or display driver adjustments that older Windows provided
>> all from one handy, well designed applet.
>>
>>     OK, so let's try uninstalling #8 runtime.... Intel Arc still
>> works. Though now I'm wondering why I haven't uninstalled
>> that. Will I ever need to adjust hue and brightness again?
>> Do I really want to waste a GB of space for that? Is Intel
>> secretly making all the SSDs and trying to fill them up so
>> they can sell more? ... I can only guess that Intel threw in
>> this crap as a favor to Microsoft.
>>
>>    I also tried out several incredibly bloated text editors back
>> then, like Atom and Sublime. I had decided to make my own
>> improved version of Notepad and first went out to see whether
>> it already existed. (I was surprised to find lots of useless and
>> overdesigned editors that gave me all sorts of options for
>> colors and panels, but shoehorned in far too much unnecessary
>> stuff.) The editors were bloated enough to have snuck in a
>> .Net runtime, but the dates don't correspond.
> 
> I don't know what Microsoft is trying to do with .NET.
> I thought that ship had mostly sunk :-)
> 
> And a gigabyte of space for a utility ? Does it
> have a hidden game in it with textures or something ?
> 

     Funny you should ask. The biggest file in the Arc folder is
211 MB. Libcef.dll. Chromium Embedded Framework DLL. It
sounds like the silly special effects of the Arc GUI may actually
be a webpage in a Chromium or Edge web browser control.
The whole thing uses about 300MB RAM when running.

    I don't know what the inside story is with .Net. I haven't really
kept up. As I understand it there's basic C++ in VS. There's also
VB.net and C#. Then there's the WinRT/Metro/Modern/UWP
trinket app development, which can be done in several languages.
So there are various high-level wrapper tools, plus C++. The latest
VS also advertises Copilot.

Originally .Net was supposed to be for web services, to compete
with Java. More recently they seem to be trying to get those
programmers to make apps. .Net was never really for desktop
software. My sense is that the people doing it for work are much
like Java developers: serverside corporate operations.

   Actually I'm curious. What kind of work is there for app developers
these days? Maybe computer-based apps for companies like
banks or AirBnB? I don't know.

    VB6 is still alive and well, but not if you ask MS. They're pushing
so hard to set up WaaS with AI spyware and forced ID, I don't
imagine that MS see much of any future for 3rd-party developers
except for Windows Store apps. I don't have a membership there,
so I don't even know what it looks like. I have no idea what kind
of apps are available.

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#183814

Paul wrote:
> On Wed, 4/16/2025 7:55 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
>> On 4/16/2025 6:55 PM, casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:
>>
>>>> What are what two things?
>>>
>>> Microsoft Windows Desktop Runtimr 6.0.36 (x64)
>>> Size 210.91 MB
>>> Version 6.0.36.34217
>>>
>>> Microsoft Windows Desktop Runtimr 8.0.15 (x64)
>>> Size 217.09 MB
>>> Version 8.0.15.34718
>>>
> 
> You would expect a thing like Paint.NET to be associated with
> crazy stuff like this. And some applications with exotic runtime
> requirements, trigger the download of the essential package
> their own selves. Inviting the items in.
> 
> I tried to look up the "what versions am I running" issue, and
> it's still handled in the same cack-handed way it always was. But,
> without Aaron Stebner ("netfx_setupverifier.exe") to help us.
> Support for that stopped around 2018 or so.
> 
>     Paul
> 

It's not necessarily Paint.NET

On this Win10 Pro 22H2 device, additional runtimes are Visual C++ 
related. No items specifically named 'Dekstop Runtime' in any location:
  - Programs and Features
  - Settings/Apps and Features
  - Revo Uninstaller
  - Powershell wmic



Fyi. Paint.NET is installed on this device.
The runtimes(below) have install dates of Oct 21 2022.
Paint.NET install date is Sept 24 2019.

No presence of version 6.x, 8.x Runtimes

What is present:
Microsoft Visual C++ 2013 x86 Minimum Runtime - 12.0.21005      5
Microsoft Visual C++ 2013 x86 Additional Runtime - 12.0.21005

Microsoft Visual C++ 2019 X86 Minimum Runtime - 14.22.27821
Microsoft Visual C++ 2019 X86 Additional Runtime - 14.22.27821

Only four installed items have dates common to Oct 21, 2022
  Intel Graphics driver
  Logitech Camera
  Logitech SetPoint
  Windows Essentials 2012(only two WLE12 program are installed
   => PhotoGallery/Movie Maker and Writer [1]

Powershell in Admin mode - a good way to see all installed programs
  (two commands one for the wmic utility, the other to output a list of 
installed programs to a text file)

wmic

/output:C:\list.txt product get name, version



[1]Additional info.
  Windows Essentials 2012 normally installs Visual C++ 2008 
Resdistributable(VC++ 9.0). In advance of installing WLE 12, installing 
VC12(Redistibutable 2013) and/or VC13(2015-2019) or VC14(2015-2022) can 
be done as a pre-requisite for successful WLE12 installation since the 
WLE12 install code looks(depending upon the installer locale) for the 
runtime 2008/VC9 download on the no longer present Live backend server.


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#183815

On 4/19/2025 5:11 AM, ...winston wrote:

> It's not necessarily Paint.NET
> 
> On this Win10 Pro 22H2 device, additional runtimes are Visual C++ 
> related. No items specifically named 'Dekstop Runtime' in any location:

Not VC++ runtimes.
https://www.urtech.ca/2024/01/solved-what-is-microsoft-windows-desktop-runtime/

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#183818

Newyana2 wrote:
> On 4/19/2025 5:11 AM, ...winston wrote:
> 
>> It's not necessarily Paint.NET
>>
>> On this Win10 Pro 22H2 device, additional runtimes are Visual C++ 
>> related. No items specifically named 'Dekstop Runtime' in any location:
> 
> Not VC++ runtimes.
> https://www.urtech.ca/2024/01/solved-what-is-microsoft-windows-desktop-runtime/ 
> 
You missed part of the point.

If Desktop Runtime is present, it's not necessarily from or included in 
Windows 10.
  - Not included in Windows 10 installer
  - Not included in Windows 10 Updates(LCU, Safe OS, WinRE)
  - Not included in .NET updates unless the desktop runtime is present, 
but only updating  files without version changes.

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#183819

On 4/19/2025 11:10 AM, ...winston wrote:

> If Desktop Runtime is present, it's not necessarily from or included in 
> Windows 10.
>   - Not included in Windows 10 installer
>   - Not included in Windows 10 Updates(LCU, Safe OS, WinRE)
>   - Not included in .NET updates unless the desktop runtime is present, 
> but only updating  files without version changes.
> 

     Right. It's not part of any of that. And it's not related
to the numerous VC runtimes. What I'm not clear about is
how it relates to the .Net framworks, which are typically
called frameworks and have their own versioning.

    As near as I can tell, "framework" is now used to refer only to
pre-installed .Net support. So when programs would previously
download a .Net framework, they now download a "Windows
Desktop Runtime".

   It seems to be a kind of sleight of hand, trying to claim
that Desktop software is .Net software, while also trying
to avoid the use of ".Net". In other words, "Don't think this
is just more bloated Java clone crap that you shouldn't
need. It's really what Windows needs to run your software.
Really."

  Interestingly, I've uninstalled the 6 and 8 runtimes, as well as
the ASP.Net package -- which I definitely shouldn't need. So
far I can't find anything that it's broken. The runtimes seem
to have been installed with the Intel Arc display applet, but
that still works.

   I suppose it's possible that Intel, being so thoroughly in
bed with Microsoft, puts those runtimes into their downloads
as a favor to MS, so that .Net developers don't have to
sneak out and try to get them.
    I never let software call home or even call out
(except things like Firefox or TBird) so nothing could have
snuck out to get these runtimes. They would have had to
have been part of a large installer.

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#183864

Newyana2 wrote:
> On 4/19/2025 11:10 AM, ...winston wrote:
> 
>> If Desktop Runtime is present, it's not necessarily from or included 
>> in Windows 10.
>>   - Not included in Windows 10 installer
>>   - Not included in Windows 10 Updates(LCU, Safe OS, WinRE)
>>   - Not included in .NET updates unless the desktop runtime is 
>> present, but only updating  files without version changes.
>>
> 
>      Right. It's not part of any of that. And it's not related
> to the numerous VC runtimes. What I'm not clear about is
> how it relates to the .Net framworks, which are typically
> called frameworks and have their own versioning.
> 
>     As near as I can tell, "framework" is now used to refer only to
> pre-installed .Net support. So when programs would previously
> download a .Net framework, they now download a "Windows
> Desktop Runtime".

> .NET Framework is Windows specific for building applications(desktop, 
web, mobile) - older, legacy technology and code
.NET Runtime is an overall engine, cross platform code(Windows, Linux, 
macOS) and the successor(to .NET Framework)...and provides the 
environment for Framework built applications to run.
.NET Desktop Runtime is a version within .NET Runtime for running 
desktop specific applications.
  Windows Desktop Runtime is a component within .NET Desktop Runtime for 
specific Windows needs(i.e. not cross platform).

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#183736

On Wed, 4/16/2025 3:27 PM, casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:
> Revo Uninstaller shows 2 items that differ somewhat. When I tried
> deleting one, somthing else reported that it was needed to run
> something and I had to reinstall. Really doesn't seem to matter, but
> what are these? New computer running Windows 11, I think.
> 

Could be CoPilot.App and M365-Office-CoPilot.App .

Those are examples of Microsoft applications that "invited themselves in".
They can show up after the W11 OS is installed.

This is not a guaranteed and for sure answer, it could be just
about anything.

Use the Snippingtool and take pictures of your screen, if you're
doing something you need to refer to later. I keep the Snippingtool
pinned to the Task Bar, so I won't have to use Start : Run to get to it.

I take a lot of screenshots. And the Snippingtool has a neat
feature on it - it can do OCR of text. Using a rectangular snip
of a part of the screen, the Snippingtool has a "text actions" icon
on the right side of the six-or-so icons after you make a snip.
And that one does OCR, and you can click the "copy" button after
it runs, and then go to Notepad and paste the text in the buffer.
This allows you to copy text on webpages where the text-copy is disabled.

   Paul

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#183744

casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:
> Revo Uninstaller shows 2 items that differ somewhat. When I tried
> deleting one, somthing else reported that it was needed to run
> something and I had to reinstall. Really doesn't seem to matter, but
> what are these? New computer running Windows 11, I think.
> 
Most likely due to:
  a. .NET
  b. 3rd party installed software

In some cases, the runtimes are for different applications that use 
different 'versions' of those runtimes(e.g. 6.x, 8.x)
  - uninstalling/removing them(one or both) can impact one or more 
programs including Windows.

i.e. Don't uninstall/remove them. Revo is only reporting that different 
versions are present, it does not necessarily indicate a reason for 
uninstalling them.



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