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Re: Desktop Runtime ?

From	Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Newsgroups	alt.comp.os.windows-10
Subject	Re: Desktop Runtime ?
Date	2025-04-17 00:24 -0400
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On Wed, 4/16/2025 7:55 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
> On 4/16/2025 6:55 PM, casagiannoni@optonline.net wrote:
> 
>>> What are what two things?
>>
>> Microsoft Windows Desktop Runtimr 6.0.36 (x64)
>> Size 210.91 MB
>> Version 6.0.36.34217
>>
>> Microsoft Windows Desktop Runtimr 8.0.15 (x64)
>> Size 217.09 MB
>> Version 8.0.15.34718
>>
> 
>   That's interesting. I never noticed it before. I also have both.
> But I have 7 and 8. They seem to be the .Net runtimes
> 7 and 8. I don't know why they call it a desktop runtime,
> or even a runtime. They used to call it a framework. Apparently
> it's desktop in the sense of being for "desktop software". Maybe
> MS did that to cover the embarassing fact that .Net was
> never designed for, and has never been well suited to, Desktop
> software. Like Java, it's slow, bloated, JIT compiled, optimized
> for RAD development of serverside applets.
> 
>     I just uninstalled v. 7 with no apparent
> ill effects. Like any .Net runtime, whether you need it will depend
> on what software you use. I never knowingly use .Net software,
> but I may have tried some program that installed these without
> asking.
> 
>  So, long story short, you shouldn't need them, but it's possible
> that you're using .Net software developed with those version
> numbers, so it would break if you remove the runtime. These
> .Net libraries and ASP Core could also be connected with the Metro
> applets, though Metro system settings still works fine for me
> with #7 gone.
> 
> Looking in Windows\Insytaller I see that I have nearly 60 MB
> in two MSI files that are both the 8.0.3 runtime installers, but
> have slightly different dates and sizes. I'm repeatedly astonished
> at how much bloated crap MS have stashed in Win10/11.

I have no idea what would trigger this. The maintenance the
Windows Update does, is for V4 mostly. The only way these might be
managed, is by bunging in a blob every once in a while (like
a forklift install), rather than being a patch. And if that is
the case, why don't these show in Programs and Features control panel ?

https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download/dotnet/6.0

https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download/dotnet/8.0

You would expect a thing like Paint.NET to be associated with
crazy stuff like this. And some applications with exotic runtime
requirements, trigger the download of the essential package
their own selves. Inviting the items in.

I tried to look up the "what versions am I running" issue, and
it's still handled in the same cack-handed way it always was. But,
without Aaron Stebner ("netfx_setupverifier.exe") to help us.
Support for that stopped around 2018 or so.

   Paul

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Desktop Runtime ? casagiannoni@optonline.net - 2025-04-16 15:27 -0400
  Re: Desktop Runtime ? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-16 15:33 -0400
    Re: Desktop Runtime ? casagiannoni@optonline.net - 2025-04-16 18:55 -0400
      Re: Desktop Runtime ? casagiannoni@optonline.net - 2025-04-16 18:58 -0400
      Re: Desktop Runtime ? casagiannoni@optonline.net - 2025-04-16 19:00 -0400
      Re: Desktop Runtime ? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-16 19:55 -0400
        Re: Desktop Runtime ? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 00:24 -0400
          Re: Desktop Runtime ? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-17 08:34 -0400
            Re: Desktop Runtime ? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 11:53 -0400
              Re: Desktop Runtime ? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-17 13:55 -0400
          Re: Desktop Runtime ? "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-04-19 05:11 -0400
            Re: Desktop Runtime ? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-19 07:29 -0400
              Re: Desktop Runtime ? "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-04-19 11:10 -0400
                Re: Desktop Runtime ? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-04-19 12:11 -0400
                Re: Desktop Runtime ? "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 13:02 -0400
  Re: Desktop Runtime ? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-16 17:03 -0400
  Re: Desktop Runtime ? "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-04-16 19:28 -0400

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