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Re: Desktop Runtime ?

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On 4/17/2025 11:53 AM, Paul wrote:
> On Thu, 4/17/2025 8:34 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
>> On 4/17/2025 12:24 AM, Paul wrote:
>>
>>> I have no idea what would trigger this. The maintenance the
>>> Windows Update does, is for V4 mostly. The only way these might be
>>> managed, is by bunging in a blob every once in a while (like
>>> a forklift install), rather than being a patch. And if that is
>>> the case, why don't these show in Programs and Features control panel ?
>>>
>>> https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download/dotnet/6.0
>>>
>>> https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download/dotnet/8.0
>>>
>>> You would expect a thing like Paint.NET to be associated with
>>> crazy stuff like this. And some applications with exotic runtime
>>> requirements, trigger the download of the essential package
>>> their own selves. Inviting the items in.
>>>
>>> I tried to look up the "what versions am I running" issue, and
>>> it's still handled in the same cack-handed way it always was. But,
>>> without Aaron Stebner ("netfx_setupverifier.exe") to help us.
>>> Support for that stopped around 2018 or so.
>>>
>>
>>     The #8 that I have remaining has an install date of 5/10/24.
>> Both were listed under installed programs. 5/24 is after I
>> stopped allowing Microsoft updates. If I installed a program
>> that tried to go online to download a Framework then I
>> would have stopped it via firewall and cancelled the installation.
>> So that seems to leave some kind of software that packed the
>> runtime into an installer.
>>
>>    What might do that? There is one thing that fits the bill. I
>> installed Intel Arc display controller on the same day. It's incredibly
>> bloated. 820 MB for a ridiculously theatrical black Metro window
>> with "special effects", all just to control hue, saturation and
>> brightness, which don't show up in the Win10 display settings.
>> (Separate from the Intel display driver, which is 720 MB
>> compressed!) Could Win10/11 graphics settings be any worse
>> than they are? They range across several different nested
>> windows, yet don't provide anywhere near the number of Windows
>> options or display driver adjustments that older Windows provided
>> all from one handy, well designed applet.
>>
>>     OK, so let's try uninstalling #8 runtime.... Intel Arc still
>> works. Though now I'm wondering why I haven't uninstalled
>> that. Will I ever need to adjust hue and brightness again?
>> Do I really want to waste a GB of space for that? Is Intel
>> secretly making all the SSDs and trying to fill them up so
>> they can sell more? ... I can only guess that Intel threw in
>> this crap as a favor to Microsoft.
>>
>>    I also tried out several incredibly bloated text editors back
>> then, like Atom and Sublime. I had decided to make my own
>> improved version of Notepad and first went out to see whether
>> it already existed. (I was surprised to find lots of useless and
>> overdesigned editors that gave me all sorts of options for
>> colors and panels, but shoehorned in far too much unnecessary
>> stuff.) The editors were bloated enough to have snuck in a
>> .Net runtime, but the dates don't correspond.
> 
> I don't know what Microsoft is trying to do with .NET.
> I thought that ship had mostly sunk :-)
> 
> And a gigabyte of space for a utility ? Does it
> have a hidden game in it with textures or something ?
> 

     Funny you should ask. The biggest file in the Arc folder is
211 MB. Libcef.dll. Chromium Embedded Framework DLL. It
sounds like the silly special effects of the Arc GUI may actually
be a webpage in a Chromium or Edge web browser control.
The whole thing uses about 300MB RAM when running.

    I don't know what the inside story is with .Net. I haven't really
kept up. As I understand it there's basic C++ in VS. There's also
VB.net and C#. Then there's the WinRT/Metro/Modern/UWP
trinket app development, which can be done in several languages.
So there are various high-level wrapper tools, plus C++. The latest
VS also advertises Copilot.

Originally .Net was supposed to be for web services, to compete
with Java. More recently they seem to be trying to get those
programmers to make apps. .Net was never really for desktop
software. My sense is that the people doing it for work are much
like Java developers: serverside corporate operations.

   Actually I'm curious. What kind of work is there for app developers
these days? Maybe computer-based apps for companies like
banks or AirBnB? I don't know.

    VB6 is still alive and well, but not if you ask MS. They're pushing
so hard to set up WaaS with AI spyware and forced ID, I don't
imagine that MS see much of any future for 3rd-party developers
except for Windows Store apps. I don't have a membership there,
so I don't even know what it looks like. I have no idea what kind
of apps are available.

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