Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	aus.computers
Subject	Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds
Date	2026-04-07 03:20 +1000
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keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
> Axel wrote
>> keithr0 wrote
>>> Axel wrote
>>>> Computer Nerd Kev wrote
>>>>> Axel <none@not.here> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote

>>>>>>>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users-  
>>>>>>>>>>> scarily-willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/

>>>>>>>>>> Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories  
>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>> people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed  
>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>> satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to
>>>>>>>>>> offload often important decisions to some perceived authority  
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and
>>>>>>>>>> religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs
>>>>>>>>>> have all the potential to join those as a new major social  
>>>>>>>>>> power.

>>>>>>>>>   Just like you do with google

>>>>>>>> Google simply points you to places where information exists.
>>>>>>> But the problem is working out what is ignorant shit and what isnt
>>>>>> and AI does that to a large extent

>>>>> Yet you keep posting where it just waffles BS instead. Petzl's
>>>>> didn't even figure out where the data in the article he was asking
>>>>> it to verify had come from (and somehow he still seemed to think it
>>>>> was useful). What you're doing is exactly what the article is
>>>>> talking about - deferring to a false authority rather than deciding
>>>>> for yourself.

>>>> if I can get an answer in seconds to question I want or need  
>>>> answered, I consider that far preferable to endless googling to try  
>>>> to find the answer myself. If I have any doubt about the veracity of  
>>>> the AI answer, I can always check for myself.

>>>>> In fact the AI's responses are no more authoritative
>>>>> than the authors of random webpages,

>>>> AI answers are more authoritative than those from authors of random  
>>>> webpages since they're based on the research the AI does to answer  
>>>> the query.  answers from 'random webpages' rely on the knowledge,  
>>>> and/or depth of research, of the author and their honesty, and lack  
>>>> of agenda or bias.
>
>>> Where do you think that "AI" gets it's answers from? Clue - random  
>>> webpages

>>  yes but not just one. it creates it's response from multiple sources,  
>> so it needs to find many websites saying the same thing to know it's  
>> giving the right answer.

> you really think so?

We really know so

No way to get accurate answers any other way

>>>>> but it tries to tell you what
>>>>> you want to hear,

>>>> no it doesn't. it will tell you if what you're saying is wrong, or if  
>>>> something is true or not. I find it a very useful and time saving  
>>>> tool to answer simple questions. many questions just need  
>>>> confirmation or denial, a yes or no answer, or simply stating some  
>>>> fact. however, no doubt the accuracy of answers would probably depend  
>>>> on the complexity of the question.

>>>>> which appears to be all you really care about

>>>> no I want a truthful answer

>>>>> (and definitely all that Rod Speed cares about).

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                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 08:52 +1000
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                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 10:26 +1000
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                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 03:17 +1000
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                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 16:50 +1000
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