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Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
>>> Axel <none@not.here> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>> keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
>>>>>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users-scarily-
>>>>>>>>> willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/

>>>>>>>> Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories about
>>>>>>>> people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed their
>>>>>>>> satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to
>>>>>>>> offload often important decisions to some perceived authority with
>>>>>>>> known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and
>>>>>>>> religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs
>>>>>>>> have all the potential to join those as a new major social power.

>>>>>>> Just like you do with google

>>>>>> Google simply points you to places where information exists.

>>>>> But the problem is working out what is ignorant shit and what isnt

>>>> and AI does that to a large extent

>>> Yet you keep posting where it just waffles BS instead.

>> You are lying about what the AI he quoted actually supplied

>> It accurately addressed the question it was asked

> Oh sure, and after "accurately" addressing his question by saying
> "HP, Dell, and Lenovo are increasing Linux adoption"

Which is what was asked, if they are doing that

> with a whole   lot of baseless or irrelevent facts,

More of your stupid lies

> it answered my question
> "accurately" by saying how "HP, Dell, Lenovo, and Asus are driving
> Windows adoption - specifically Windows 11".

Which is accurate given that its what they offer
preinstalled and sell in FAR greater volume than
they ever do systems with linux preinstalled

> It's the plainest evidence you can get that the thing just spurts
> useless nonsense

Neither is useless nonsense

And google doesnt do any better in that
regard even if you manage to work out
which are the best google hits

> with no underlying factual basis

Neither does google provide that with actual sales
volume numbers because that is never available

And if that is what you want, AI will provide
what someone claims about those
https://g.co/gemini/share/412535e928a8

> or even a firm    contention.

Bullshit

> No accuracy involved whatsoever.

Another stupid lie if you ask the right question

>>> Petzl's   didn't even figure out where the data in the article he was
>>> asking
>>> it to verify had come from (and somehow he still seemed to think it
>>> was useful).

>> It was useful because it addressed the question
>> asked and it was obvious that the data came from
>> the operations that it said were doing what it said
>> they were doing with respect to linux and you never
>> provided any sources for what you said they had
>> been doing all along and you lied about the systems
>> that they had actually been doing that with

> Yes I can understand how anyone who thinks in word salad like that
> would be at home talking to an AI.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag

>>> What you're doing is exactly what the article is
>>> talking about - deferring to a false authority rather than deciding
>>> for yourself.

>> You are doing that yourself with google

> Nope,

Yep

> damn obvious when Google (or Duck Duck Go in my case) brings
> up a Wikipedia page about a different musician to the one I was
> asking about. Whereas Gemini/Google AI ripped irrelevent info from
> that page anyway and presented it as an answer to my question which
> was completely wrong, without linking to the source.

You are lying again on the source

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    Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-05 08:59 +1000
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        Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-05 15:36 +1000
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            Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 01:53 +1000
          Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-04-05 21:20 +1000
            Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 01:55 +1000
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                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 10:22 +1000
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                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 08:42 +1000
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                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-04-07 08:18 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 08:52 +1000
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            Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 08:25 +1000
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                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 10:26 +1000
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                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 15:45 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> - 2026-04-06 21:38 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 03:17 +1000
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                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 16:50 +1000
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              Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-04-07 08:36 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 09:34 +1000
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                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-08 10:25 +1000
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                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-04-06 14:35 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 15:48 +1000
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