Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	aus.computers
Subject	Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds
Date	2026-04-07 08:52 +1000
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Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
> Axel <none@not.here> wrote
>> Computer Nerd Kev wrote
>>> Axel <none@not.here> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>> keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote

>>>>>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users-scarily-
>>>>>>>>> willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/

>>>>>>>> Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories about
>>>>>>>> people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed their
>>>>>>>> satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to
>>>>>>>> offload often important decisions to some perceived authority with
>>>>>>>> known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and
>>>>>>>> religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs
>>>>>>>> have all the potential to join those as a new major social power.

>>>>>>>   Just like you do with google

>>>>>> Google simply points you to places where information exists.

>>>>> But the problem is working out what is ignorant shit and what isnt

>>>> and AI does that to a large extent

>>> Yet you keep posting where it just waffles BS instead. Petzl's
>>> didn't even figure out where the data in the article he was asking
>>> it to verify had come from (and somehow he still seemed to think it
>>> was useful). What you're doing is exactly what the article is
>>> talking about - deferring to a false authority rather than deciding
>>> for yourself.

>> if I can get an answer in seconds to question I want or need answered, I
>> consider that far preferable to endless googling to try to find the
>> answer myself. If I have any doubt about the veracity of the AI answer,
>> I can always check for myself.

> Well you clearly don't do much checking before posting its BS to
> Usenet so I think you're kidding yourself. Anyway I've said my bit
> about that. Like people have with politics and religion, you've got
> your blind faith in AI and that's that.

Its not blind faith when you check what it provides

>>> In fact the AI's responses are no more authoritative
>>> than the authors of random webpages,

>> AI answers are more authoritative than those from authors of random
>> webpages since they're based on the research the AI does to answer the
>> query.

> AI answers rely on the AI understanding what random webpages are
> actually talking about.

Nothing random about the web pages it uses

> AI simply doesn't do that.

Bullshit

> It just detects
> that they contain a few keywords or links that are statistically
> associated with those in the prompt.

So it isnt random

> Then it seems Google's AI   loses track,

Never seen it do that

> or is so ashamed of itself, that it won't even link
> back to those pages when answering some questions.

Another stupid lie with Genisis

>> answers from 'random webpages' rely on the knowledge, and/or
>> depth of research, of the author and their honesty, and lack of agenda
>> or bias.

> Bias or shallow research by a majority of webpages will still give
> you biased and weak AI responses (which might even disregard info
> on a smaller few good webpages).

More of your stupid lies

> Moreover a lack of knowledge for
> an AI means it doesn't find closely relevent pages at all,

More of your stupid lies

> yet it
> still assembles nonsense from the irrelevent info it does find.

More of your stupid lies

>>> but it tries to tell you what
>>> you want to hear,

>> no it doesn't. it will tell you if what you're saying is wrong, or if
>> something is true or not.

> You litterally posted half the evidence, with it telling you PC
> brands are "increasing Linux adoption", then it told me how the
> same brands are "Driving Windows adoption".

What is happening with both

> They can't do both,

Bullshit when both are available preinstalled instead
of the Win users just moving their previously installed
version of Win onto their new hardware

> it's just meaningless, foundationless, babble, serving to affirm
> the contention implicit in the question.

More of your stupid lies

>> I find it a very useful and time saving tool
>> to answer simple questions. many questions just need confirmation or
>> denial, a yes or no answer, or simply stating some fact.

> That's your problem.

Not a problem for him

>> however, no
>> doubt the accuracy of answers would probably depend on the complexity of
>> the question.

> You clearly don't need a complex question to get BS out of it.

He didnt get BS

>>> which appears to be all you really care about

>> no I want a truthful answer

> Yeah well some people say they get that from God, so what can you
> do?

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    Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-05 08:59 +1000
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        Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-05 15:36 +1000
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                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 03:17 +1000
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