Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	aus.computers
Subject	Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds
Date	2026-04-07 16:48 +1000
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keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
>>> Axel wrote
>>>> keithr0 wrote
>>>>> Axel wrote
>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev wrote
>>>>>>> Axel <none@not.here> wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>> keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote

>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users-  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> scarily-willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/

>>>>>>>>>>>> Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories  
>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>> people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed  
>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>> satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to
>>>>>>>>>>>> offload often important decisions to some perceived authority  
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and
>>>>>>>>>>>> religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such  
>>>>>>>>>>>> AIs
>>>>>>>>>>>> have all the potential to join those as a new major social  
>>>>>>>>>>>> power.

>>>>>>>>>>>   Just like you do with google

>>>>>>>>>> Google simply points you to places where information exists.
>>>>>>>>> But the problem is working out what is ignorant shit and what  
>>>>>>>>> isnt

>>>>>>>> and AI does that to a large extent

>>>>>>> Yet you keep posting where it just waffles BS instead. Petzl's
>>>>>>> didn't even figure out where the data in the article he was asking
>>>>>>> it to verify had come from (and somehow he still seemed to think it
>>>>>>> was useful). What you're doing is exactly what the article is
>>>>>>> talking about - deferring to a false authority rather than deciding
>>>>>>> for yourself.

>>>>>> if I can get an answer in seconds to question I want or need  
>>>>>> answered, I consider that far preferable to endless googling to try  
>>>>>> to find the answer myself. If I have any doubt about the veracity  
>>>>>> of the AI answer, I can always check for myself.

>>>>>>> In fact the AI's responses are no more authoritative
>>>>>>> than the authors of random webpages,

>>>>>> AI answers are more authoritative than those from authors of random  
>>>>>> webpages since they're based on the research the AI does to answer  
>>>>>> the query.  answers from 'random webpages' rely on the knowledge,  
>>>>>> and/or depth of research, of the author and their honesty, and lack  
>>>>>> of agenda or bias.

>>>>> Where do you think that "AI" gets it's answers from? Clue - random
>>>>> webpages

Nothing random about it, with grok
you can even see where it is looking

>>>>  yes but not just one. it creates it's response from multiple  
>>>> sources, so it needs to find many websites saying the same thing to  
>>>> know it's giving the right answer.

>>> you really think so?

>>  We really know so

> Depends on whether you get an accurate answer,

We know it does and its easy to check that

> or, in the case you   quoted, an answer at all.

It does now. Not clear why that is, whether that
is because I told it that Gemini got it right

Can't be because it's just slow with new
data, Dezi Freeman who it claimed doesnt
exist has been in the news for months

>> No way to get accurate answers any other way

>>>>>>> but it tries to tell you what
>>>>>>> you want to hear,

>>>>>> no it doesn't. it will tell you if what you're saying is wrong, or  
>>>>>> if something is true or not. I find it a very useful and time  
>>>>>> saving tool to answer simple questions. many questions just need  
>>>>>> confirmation or denial, a yes or no answer, or simply stating some  
>>>>>> fact. however, no doubt the accuracy of answers would probably  
>>>>>> depend on the complexity of the question.

>>>>>>> which appears to be all you really care about

>>>>>> no I want a truthful answer

>>>>>>> (and definitely all that Rod Speed cares about).

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    Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-05 08:59 +1000
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                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 10:26 +1000
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                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 03:17 +1000
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                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 16:50 +1000
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