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Re: Pythagoras, the first major plagiarist of babylonian math, 1000 years before.

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
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Subject	Re: Pythagoras, the first major plagiarist of babylonian math, 1000 years before.
Date	2023-11-06 09:03 +0100
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Am 05.11.2023 um 16:41 schrieb Volney:
> On 11/5/2023 2:03 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am 04.11.2023 um 08:41 schrieb Thomas Heger:
>>> So, look at the picture again and lets find out, what is evidence for
>>> fakery and possibly who had made it.
>>>
>>> I personally think, the blurry hand is resting on a glass sheet, which
>>> is used in animation film production to place cutouts above the
>>> animation drawings.
>>>
>>> The animation itself is flat and in focus, while the camara takes
>>> pictures through one or more layers of glass, where foreground objects
>>> are usually placed.
>>>
>>> Therefore the person touched a rectangular forground layer object, which
>>> was meant to cover the floor (thats why it contains a piece of the
>>> pattern of the table cloth).
>>>
>>> This layer is closer to the camera, hence blurry.
>>>
>>> In a real picture, where a scene is taken in one exposure, the
>>> blurryness bilds a continum, which corresponds which distance to the
>>> camera (more close means: more blurry) and has to do with lense type and
>>> apperture.
>>>
>>> But we have a continously sharp scene, which is therefor made with a
>>> wide angle lense and closed apperture, while the reproduction camera had
>>> a long focal length and a wide apperture.
>>>
>>> So the blur of the hand would suggest, that two different lenses were
>>> involved, hence would prove a montage.
>>>
>>
>> Look at the picture AGAIN:
>>
>> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Hitler%2C_Maurice%2C_Kriebel%2C_Hess%2C_Weber%2C_prison_de_Landsberg_en_1924.jpg/786px-Hitler%2C_Maurice%2C_Kriebel%2C_Hess%2C_Weber%2C_prison_de_Landsberg_en_1924.jpg
>>
>>
>> Look at the lower left corner and the blurry hand, which is holding
>> something.
>
> There. Is. No. Hand. In. The. Corner.
>
>>
>> Now this hand is actually a PROOF, that this picture is 'doctored'.
>
> There. Is. No. Hand. In. The. Corner.

Well, the shape is imho that of a female left hand.

You can see this at the relatively steep angle between arm and hand, 
what males cannot do.

Wemen have the ability to stretch their joints further than males can, 
hence the hand should belong to a women.

Also the fingers are quite slim and longish.

The view is on the left hand from the side, where you can see the thumb 
and a stretched out forefinger.

But eventually the shape belongs to some other object.

That is a question of debate. But I see a female left hand.

>>
>> You need to try to locate that hand in the scence, by trying to assume,
>
> I am not going to assume anything. I need to see it. There is no hand.
>

Assumptions are a very important part of the scientific method and 
science without assumptions is not science.

In any situation, where you try to find out something, you need to make 
estimates about the possible solutions.

Then you examine your assumptions and select those, which are promising.

Then you redo the step of factfinding on the background of your best 
assumptions and derive new assumptions, which could aqgain be evaluated.

Now you iterate seeveral times this process and will inevitably find out 
something valid.

TH

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