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Re: Pythagoras, the first major plagiarist of babylonian math, 1000 years before.

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Pythagoras, the first major plagiarist of babylonian math, 1000 years before.
Date 2023-10-29 08:46 +0100
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Am 28.10.2023 um 09:13 schrieb Athel Cornish-Bowden:
> On 2023-10-28 05:38:49 +0000, Thomas Heger said:
>
>> Am 27.10.2023 um 11:58 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
>>> Dono. <eggy20011951@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 10:38:10?PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That makes total sense to me,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All along, I thought that you (and RichD) are JUST a couple of pathetic
>>>> imbeciles. Now, I realize that you are plain insane.
>>>
>>> TH's theory posted here some time ago
>>> that 'Mein Kampf' was really written by an Englishman
>>> (one of the Huxleys) in English,
>>> and that Hitler's version was a poor translation
>>> wasn't enough to tip you off?
>>>
>>
>> No, that was not my theory!
>>
>>
>> My theory was, that the German version was a relatively poor
>> translation from a text, which was origionally written in English.
>
> How is that different from what Jan said?
>
>> This conclusion came from a side-by-side comparison of the four
>> English versions and the German version.
>>
>> Because I am a nativ speaker of German and speak English quite well
>> (as a second language) I could find subtle inconsitencies in the
>> translations, which only make sense, if one of the four English
>> versions would be the actual original.
>
> Examples?
Am 28.10.2023 um 09:13 schrieb Athel Cornish-Bowden:> On 2023-10-28 
05:38:49 +0000, Thomas Heger said:
 >
 >> Am 27.10.2023 um 11:58 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
 >>> Dono. <eggy20011951@gmail.com> wrote:
 >>>
 >>>> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 10:38:10?PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger
 >>>> wrote:
 >>>>
 >>>>> That makes total sense to me,
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>> All along, I thought that you (and RichD) are JUST a couple of 
pathetic
 >>>> imbeciles. Now, I realize that you are plain insane.
 >>>
 >>> TH's theory posted here some time ago
 >>> that 'Mein Kampf' was really written by an Englishman
 >>> (one of the Huxleys) in English,
 >>> and that Hitler's version was a poor translation
 >>> wasn't enough to tip you off?
 >>>
 >>
 >> No, that was not my theory!
 >>
 >>
 >> My theory was, that the German version was a relatively poor
 >> translation from a text, which was origionally written in English.
 >
 > How is that different from what Jan said?
 >
 >> This conclusion came from a side-by-side comparison of the four
 >> English versions and the German version.
 >>
 >> Because I am a nativ speaker of German and speak English quite well
 >> (as a second language) I could find subtle inconsitencies in the
 >> translations, which only make sense, if one of the four English
 >> versions would be the actual original.
 >
 > Examples?

This comparison is difficult and annying, but let me do it once more 
just for you:


(This is a random pick. but you could see the same pattern at all over 
the place).

---------------------------------------------------

Vol II, Chapter I, German edition
Jeden Morgen begibt sich der Herr Volksvertreter in das Hohe Haus, und 
wenn schon nicht ganz hinein, so doch wenigstens bis in den Vorraum, in 
dem die Anwesenheitslisten auf liegen. Im angreifenden Dienste für das 
Volk trägt er dort seinen Namen ein und nimmt als wohlverdienten Lohn 
eine kleine Entschädigung für diese fortgesetzten zermürbenden 
Anstrengungen entgegen.

Vol II, Chapter I, Page 268 Notide edition
Morning after morning the honourable deputy wends his way to the House, 
and though he may not enter the Chamber itself he gets at least as far 
as the front hall, where he will find the register on which the names of 
the deputies in attendance have to be inscribed. As a part of his 
onerous service to his constituents he enters his name, and in return 
receives a small indemnity as a well-earned reward for his unceasing and 
exhausting labours.

Paternoster Library edition page 147
Once the Elections are over the Member-who is elected for five years - 
goes each morning to the House, not perhaps right inside, but at any 
rate as far as the hall in which the attendance lists are placed.
His fatiguing service in the people’s cause leads him to sign his name, 
and in return for this exhausting effort, daily repeated, he accepts a 
small honorarium as his well-earned reward.

---------------------------------------------------------------

First: this describes a procedure unknown in Austria, but in the House 
of Commons in England.

Second:.  the paternoster library inserted ‚...elected for five years’, 
which wasn’t present in the German version.

Third: the German word ‚angreifend’ is ‚twisted’ and very bad German. 
Better would have been ‚erschöpfend’ (as kind of ironic statement about 
the ‚exhausting’ work).

fourth: 'diese fortgesetzten zermürbenden Anstrengungen' misses an 'und' 
or a comma. This is a rule in German, that a list of equally ranked 
items need either 'und' (and) or a comma. But this is the case because 
'fortgesetzten' (continously) is not a qualifier to  'zermürbenden' 
(exhausting). That would be 'fortgesetzt' (repeatedly).
The German sentence is actually twisted and also gramatically wrong.
To translate the Geramn sentence is difficult, but would mean something 
like 'crunched repeatedly by efforts'.

and so forth....
--------------------------------------------------------------------


Now it would not make sense to alter the German version in the sense of 
'to beautify' it, because Germany was at that time the enemy in a way 
and the author the leader of that enemy.

So, it would not make much sense, if a translation attempted to make the 
origional version better than it actuially was (better: wasn't).

This enables to take the best (in the sense of liguistic qualities) 
version as source, which was the one of Paternoster Library, and the 
worst as translation (which was the German one - by far!).

TH

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