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Re: Pythagoras, the first major plagiarist of babylonian math, 1000 years before.

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Am 02.11.2023 um 07:59 schrieb Thomas Heger:
> Am 01.11.2023 um 10:50 schrieb Paul B. Andersen:
>> Den 01.11.2023 07:03, skrev Thomas Heger:
>>> Am 31.10.2023 um 19:07 schrieb RichD:
>>>> On October 30, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>> Am 29.10.2023 um 20:17 sc
>>>>> Sure, because the 'Fuehrer' was actually not Hitler.
>>>>> My assumption was, that Noel Trevenen Huxley posed as 'Fuehrer', while
>>>>> the Brits faked his suicide (to make his disapperance plausible).
>>>>
>>>> Look at:
>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1579629/Did-Adolf-Hitler-draw-Disney-characters.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any fan of the Seven Dwarfs can't be wholly bad -
>>>>
>>>> PS  Was Walt Disney maybe part of the conspiracy?
>>>>
>>> Possibly.
>>>
>>>
>>> Look at this picture again:
>>>
>>> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Hitler%2C_Maurice%2C_Kriebel%2C_Hess%2C_Weber%2C_prison_de_Landsberg_en_1924.jpg/786px-Hitler%2C_Maurice%2C_Kriebel%2C_Hess%2C_Weber%2C_prison_de_Landsberg_en_1924.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the lower left corner we can see a rectangular object, which covers
>>> parts of Hitler's right leg and parts of the table cloth.
>>>
>>> As we can safely assume, that Hitler had a right leg, this something
>>> does in fact cover the sight to that leg, which is therefore only
>>> partially visible.
>>>
>>> What we do see instead is a shadowy female left hand, which hovers
>>> over/in front of that object.
>>>
>>> For this observation exists an explanation, which could possibly
>>> involve Disney studios.
>>>
>>> (I don't mean, that Disney was involved, but that such a possiblity
>>> would exist)
>>>
>>> My explanation for this rectangular object goes like this:
>>>
>>> If this photo was in fact a montage, we need to skip back in time to
>>> that era.
>>>
>>> This picture was made in 1923 (or nearby) and is therefor almost
>>> exactly 100 years old.
>>>
>>> The technology used in photomontage didn't use Photoshop(TM) or
>>> similar, because that era was long before the advent of computers.
>>>
>>> Instead 'photoshopping' was done in real: cutouts, spray-painting,
>>> razor erasing and so forth.
>>>
>>> And if you liked to cover a piece of a picture with unwanted details,
>>> you need to paint something directly on it or on an extra sheet of
>>> paper, which is possibly a photo itself.
>>>
>>> This sheet was placed upon an underlying picture and the entire
>>> montage was reproduced with a large specialised camera by a
>>> specialised and skilled operator.
>>>
>>> Now this woman (to which the shaddowy arm and hand belonged), was
>>> apparently small and untrained, but opperated a professional machine,
>>> like those used in animation studios.
>>>
>>> As she wanted to release the shutter of that reproduction camera, she
>>> placed her left hand on that cover sheet and pushed it,
>>> unintentionally, a little upwards, because she was leaning on her left
>>> hand, while adjusting the focus and releasing the shutter.
>>>
>>> (This would only be an assumption, but is consistent with the
>>> evidence, which is this particular photo.)
>>>
>>>  From the size of the hand we can draw a conclusion about the size of
>>> the used machine, which had to be table-sized and belonged to the
>>> professional realm, that was used in animation studios.
>>>
>>> But apparently the makers of this picture were not skilled enough to
>>> keep their hand away from that table, were the montage rested while
>>> being photographed.
>>>
>>> So a female hand is vilible on a photograph from Landsberg prison
>>> (where it should not belong), which is also held in a very akward
>>> angle, supposed the person would sit in front of this set of people.
>>>
>>> But the angle would be consistent with a person leaning on a table
>>> with a montage, while doing something with the right hand (like e.g.
>>> releasing the shutter).
>>>
>>>
>>> TH
>>>
>>
>> Can you see the colour of the woman's eyes?
>> Her ethnicity is important!
>>
>
> No, not really, because that era didn't have color photography.
>
> The picture in question is therefore only black and white.
>
> The detail under consideration (something in the lower left corner)
> didn't contain the eyes, neither.
>
> So, no colors of any eyes are visible in this piece of evidence.
>
> Ethnicity of that person isn't of any importance here, thou possibly
> interesting.
>
> We need to skip these questions therefore, because the photos cannot
> answer them.
>
> But what we can actually do is this: ask ourself the question, how this
> hand came into the picture and what was actually depicted.
>
> Other assumptions are certainly also possible.
>
> E.g. the hand could have belonged to a waitress, who brought a tray with
> beaverages or a skript girl, who was holding a book.
>
> Actually I don't know.
>
> Eventually the girl with the make-up had her fingers in the picture.
>
> But female hands with a script or a waitress with drinks do not really
> belong to a prison for male inmates, anyhow.
>
> I personally like the idea with a montage, because Hitler and his
> comrades had no (or twisted) necks.
>
> So my own bet would be, that an untrained (young and female) user of a
> professional repro-camera forgot to remove the left hand from the
> montage-table, while taking a reproduction picture.
>
> But that is only a guess.
>

I found another detail, which would raise doubts about this picture:

The person on the right of the picture smoked and wore a wedding ring.
(As far as I know, rings were taken away from inmates, when they entered 
a prison).

That person looks also very unconvincing, because the head does not fit 
to the body in size and direction of view.

Also these Bavarian socks, a leather trouser and a 'Janker' (traditional 
Bavarian jacket) do not really fit to a prison.

Hess was sitting on something unknown. That could be a bar stool or 
possibly on the knees of the fat man to the right.

Over all, the picture looks like a collage, that was made by free-time 
artists or a group of students in a course called 'creativity training'.

TH

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