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Re: Pythagoras, the first major plagiarist of babylonian math, 1000 years before.

From Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com>
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Subject Re: Pythagoras, the first major plagiarist of babylonian math, 1000 years before.
Date 2023-10-25 15:32 +0200
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On 2023-10-24 16:44:22 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:

> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
> 
>> Am 23.10.2023 um 09:37 schrieb Athel Cornish-Bowden:
>>> On 2023-10-23 06:36:05 +0000, Thomas Heger said:
>>> 
>>>> Am 22.10.2023 um 10:38 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
>>>>> Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2023-10-21 16:53:41 +0000, Volney said:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 10/21/2023 4:55 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Am 19.10.2023 um 12:04 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
>>>>>>>>>> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Am 18.10.2023 um 10:53 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any good Maoist knows that relativity is 'the epitome of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bourgeois
>>>>>>>>>>>>> science', which is wrong, since it conflicts with proletarian
>>>>>>>>>>>>> science."
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, maybe I should try:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Good Maoist' is imho an oxymoron, since 'good' and 'Maoist'
>>>>>>>>>>>>> conflict
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with each other.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> It is just your understanding of 'good' that is wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think so, because Mao holds actually the (current)
>>>>>>>>>>> all-time-record for mass murder.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Your English needs more work,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Well, yes, but I'm trying to enhance my abilities all the time.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> For your information, you are failing.
>>>>>>>> There really is more to English than your high school textbooks.
>>>>>>>> In particular, 'good' has many more meanings than 'morally good'.
>>>>>>>> One of them is 'being a true follower in a doctrine',
>>>>>>>> so for example a good Maoist, but also a good Catholic, etc.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That is correct. English can be very subtle at times with definitions,
>>>>>>> which is why it can be so difficult for non-English speaking people to
>>>>>>> learn. In this case "good Maoist" does mean someone faithful to and
>>>>>>> believing the teachings of Mao, and definitely does not have the
>>>>>>> meaning of "not bad" or "not evil" which would make the phrase
>>>>>>> contradictory.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Getting away from the (real) faults of English, and back to the point
>>>>>> "Mao holds actually the (current)
>>>>>> all-time-record for mass murder," it is certainly true that many people
>>>>>> during Mao's time, but most of y deaths cannot be called murder. Mostly
>>>>>> they were a consequence of incompetent management of the Great Leap
>>>>>> Forward.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And even that is questionable.
>>>>> Consider the situation when Mao took power:
>>>>> China had a huge and rapidly growing population,
>>>>> and almost all of that population was engaged in highly labor-intensive
>>>>> and low-productivity agriculture.
>>>>> Industial production was next to nothing by comparison.
>>>>> (and most of what little there had been before WWII
>>>>> was destroyed by the Japanese, who also killed off the skilled labour)
>>>>> On top of the miseries of WWII, which was as bad as WWII in the West,
>>>>> they had a civil war following it.
>>>>> The nearly complete boycot of the USA and its allies
>>>>> after the civil war was over didn't help either.
>>>>> Starvation was already the rule in much of China before Mao took over.
>>>>> Mao's China was obviously in a non-sustainable situation,
>>>>> and something drastic had to be done about it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Let those who say 'mass murder' explain
>>>>> what -they- would have done about it,
>>>>> given the disastrous situation the country was in,
>>>>> and how that would have worked out better.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Well, maybe you are right.
>>>> 
>>>> But as far as I can tell, the Soviet Shithead named (himself) 'Stalin'
>>>> had the intention to kill.
>>> 
>>> Not the same person as Mao, so what does your diatribe have to do with
>>> Jan's points?

Unless I've missed it, there doesn't seem to have been a reply to this 
question. Surely even Thomas Heger must know that Stalin and Mao were 
two different people?
>>> 
>>> As for Stalin, maybe he wanted to practise Christian love as taught to
>>> him during his five years in a seminary training to be a priest. You can
>>> call him Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili if you like (and don't care
>>> about being understood) but Stalin is easier to say and what everyone
>>> does say.
>> 
>> 
>> Besides of that Stalin was trained by a guy named Gurdjev in obscure
>> rituals.
> 
> For the kiddies: TH probably means George Gurdjieff.
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Gurdjieff>

I wondered that, but didn't care enough to follow it up.
> 
>> It is also assumed, that Winston Churchill organised a training exercise
>> in London especially for Mr. Djugashvilli, called 'Sidney Street Siege'.
> 
> Your incredible talent for picking up desinformation
> and crazy conspiracy theories is really surprising,

Probably not so surprising. What has led you to expect deep and careful 
thinking from Thomas Heger?


-- 
athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

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