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Re: Pythagoras, the first major plagiarist of babylonian math, 1000 years before.

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
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Subject	Re: Pythagoras, the first major plagiarist of babylonian math, 1000 years before.
Date	2023-11-04 08:41 +0100
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Am 03.11.2023 um 18:07 schrieb Athel Cornish-Bowden:
> On 2023-11-03 16:07:51 +0000, Volney said:
>
>> On 11/3/2023 3:45 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>> Am 03.11.2023 um 06:06 schrieb Volney:
>>>
>>>>>>>> Look at this picture again:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Hitler%2C_Maurice%2C_Kriebel%2C_Hess%2C_Weber%2C_prison_de_Landsberg_en_1924.jpg/786px-Hitler%2C_Maurice%2C_Kriebel%2C_Hess%2C_Weber%2C_prison_de_Landsberg_en_1924.jpg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the lower left corner we can see a rectangular object, which
>>>>>>>> covers
>>>>>>>> parts of Hitler's right leg and parts of the table cloth.
>>>>>>>>
>>> ...
>>>>>>>> This picture was made in 1923 (or nearby) and is therefor almost
>>>>>>>> exactly 100 years old.
>>>>
>>>> That picture was taken in January 1924. Hitler didn't go on trial for
>>>> the Putsch until February, 1924. So no prisons here.
>>>
>>> Interesting detail!
>>
>> Yes, and it rules out the idea it was taken in prison after his
>> conviction.
>>>
>>> But if I 'google' for 'Hitler in Landsberg prison' this picture pops
>>> up tons of times.
>>>
>>> So, if it was photographed prior to his trial, then why it is all the
>>> time attributed to Landsberg prison?
>>
>> Do you even know how Google works? All that means is that articles
>> discussing Hitler's imprisonment, the Putsch or Hitler in general
>> (such as Wikipedia) also used that photograph, and since it was taken
>> shortly before the trial it was probably close to the text about
>> imprisonment. That's all it means.
>>>
>>> And where in fact was it taken instead and for what reason?
>>
>> I'm sure the reason was that Hitler and his buddies wanted a group
>> photograph. Where? I think it is very safe to say it was not in a
>> prison. Likely one of the homes of those in the photograph.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> And there is no woman's hand to be seen.
>>>
>>> Well, possibly the hand belonged to a male.
>>> I do not really insist on 'female', but the hand looks like a female
>>> hand for me.
>>
>> There is no hand, male or female, to be seen! Other than those seated
>> at the table, of course.
>>>
>>> Look carefully yourself and try to figure out, what that is, that was
>>> photographed in the lower left corner of the picture.
>>
>> It's blurry but appears to be a table or similar, with a blurry book
>> on the left and the corner of a sheet of paper or another book at the
>> bottom.
>>>
>>> To me it looks like the left hand of a (very!) stupid female operator
>>> of a professional reproduction camera, who unitentionally
>>> photographed her left hand, while releasing the shutter with the
>>> right hand.
>>
>> What have you been smoking?
>>>
>>>
>>> Another hint could be the blur, which means usually a difference in
>>> focus or a movement within exposure time. >
>>> Here the blur suggests a significant difference in distance between
>>> blurred objects and focussed objects.
>>
>> Yes the table and books were in the foreground, so blurred.
>
> Photoshopping hadn't been invented in 1924, and doctoring photos has
> come a very long way since then. Consider this one, from the same
> decade, where the fakery is embarrassingly obvious:
>
> https://www.nj.com/entertainment/arts/2012/09/as_the_art_market_remains_on_a.html
>
>
> Notice that although the two men appear to be sitting on the same bench,
> the bits they're sitting on are completely different. As Thomas Heger
> appears to be confused about it, I should point out that the chap on the
> right is Stalin, not Mao Tse Tung.
>
>
I certainly know how Stalin and Lenin looked like, even if they are long 
dead.

But Stalin was also involved in fakery at his own time and got opponents 
removed from certain photos.

Lenin was earlier, but certainly his pictures were doctored, too.

But I was talking about the German dictator known as 'Hitler'.

I personally don't think, that guy was really Hitler, but a British spy 
with the real name Noel Trevenen Huxley.

Among the many reasons was one photo made of Hitler in 1st of August 
1914, when Hitler attended the 'celebration' of WWI on the Odeons Square 
in Munich.

That was an obvious fake, because the real Hitler had very long beard 
tips a few weeks later, while the guy in Munich had his typical square 
moustache.

So; who faked and what????

Hitlers friend Heinrich Hoffman was his photographer and known to have 
faked a lot of pictures, including the one from Odeons Platz.

But possibly this picture was authentic and the person itself was a fake.

Here I had the picture from the Landsberg prison, which was used in some 
versions of 'My Struggle' (allegedly written in Landsberg by that person).

But I wanted to prove, that Hitler could not possibly have written these 
books, because they look like a translation from the English language.

They are also way to complicated from its content, because the real 
Hitler was a school dropout and lived in an homeless shelter, until he 
went to war in  WWI.

After that he recovered in Beelitz Heilstätten and another hospital in 
Brandenburg from mustard gas injury.

But when did he read Spinoza and the other philosophers, which he needed 
to write these books (which are also a little too long for the six month 
in prison he had allegedly been there)???

So we have reasons to believe, the picture of Hitler in Landsberg were 
all faked and he had never been there for a day.

(btw: the pictures from  Beelitz Heilstätten look staged, too, because 
one of his comrades from Munich prior to the war show up after the war 
on that picture in the same hospital as Hitler. That is highly unlikely, 
because the usual survival time for soldiers at the western front was 
only two weeks and between beginn and end of WW I were four years).

So, look at the picture again and lets find out, what is evidence for 
fakery and possibly who had made it.

I personally think, the blurry hand is resting on a glass sheet, which 
is used in animation film production to place cutouts above the 
animation drawings.

The animation itself is flat and in focus, while the camara takes 
pictures through one or more layers of glass, where foreground objects 
are usually placed.

Therefore the person touched a rectangular forground layer object, which 
was meant to cover the floor (thats why it contains a piece of the 
pattern of the table cloth).

This layer is closer to the camera, hence blurry.

In a real picture, where a scene is taken in one exposure, the 
blurryness bilds a continum, which corresponds which distance to the 
camera (more close means: more blurry) and has to do with lense type and 
apperture.

But we have a continously sharp scene, which is therefor made with a 
wide angle lense and closed apperture, while the reproduction camera had 
a long focal length and a wide apperture.

So the blur of the hand would suggest, that two different lenses were 
involved, hence would prove a montage.

TH

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