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Re: climate change

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: climate change
Date	2023-01-02 08:28 +0100
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Am 02.01.2023 um 04:29 schrieb Tom Roberts:
> On 1/1/23 8:48 PM, Tom Roberts wrote:
>> CO2 does not significantly absorb visible light and shorter
>> wavelengths, but it does absorb infrared (IR) light. Since the solar
>> spectrum peaks in the visible, most solar energy gets to the ground
>> where much of it is absorbed -- that heats the ground and causes the
>> radiation of IR. The solar radiation that is reflected by the ground
>> mostly goes up through the atmosphere and is radiated into space, so
>> it does not heat the earth. But the IR radiated by the ground is
>> largely absorbed by the CO2 in the atmosphere, which heats the upper
>> atmosphere, which re-radiates more IR [#]. That re-radiated IR bounces
>> around in the upper atmosphere; some is radiated out into space (not
>> heating the earth), but much of it is radiated down to
>> the ground where the process repeats. The net result is that with
>> more CO2 in the atmosphere, less IR is radiated into space, so the
>> atmosphere and planet are heated more (compared to less CO2).
>>
>> [#] This re-radiation is essentially isotropic -- the portion going up
>> can be absorbed by CO2 and the cycle repeats, or it can escape into
>> space.
>>
>> Note that the glass used in a greenhouse has a similar absorption
>> spectrum -- most solar energy comes in, but much of it is absorbed
>> inside the greenhouse and in the glass. The result is that the
>> greenhouse warms up due to the energy balance of the solar radiation
>>  that hits it. That is why CO2 is called a "greenhouse gas"; other
>> important ones are water vapor and methane.

Most of the greenhouses worldwide are made from plastic, which is almost 
entirely transparent for IR.

Therefore, it is very questionable, if the effect called 'greenhouse 
effect' does actually occur in real greenhouses.

But a gas cannot immitate glas, anyhow, because glas has a feature, 
which no gas can have:
glas maintains its form.

CO2 on the other hand cannot possibly stop convection (what means: 
transport of thermal energy by transport of the heated medium).

In real green-houses the main effect is not what you wrote, but the 
prevention of convection by a stable but transparent membrane.

It is not particularily important, from which material this shield is 
made, as long as it is transparent.

That's why millions of greenhouses worldwide are made from plastic 
foils, which is much cheaper than glas.

>> The overall energy balance of earth is the difference between two
>> truly ENORMOUS amounts of energy: solar energy incoming, and
>> radiated energy going into space. Small differences in this balance
>> can have large effects on the temperature of the atmosphere and
>> planet, and that is what we are seeing over the past half-century or
>> so.
>
> I forgot to mention that as the planet's temperature increases, more
> energy is radiated into space for two reasons: a) the total amount of
> radiation is increased, and b) the mean wavelength of the radiation
> decreases, putting more of it into a transparent band of the atmosphere.

Wouldn't increased emission of IR reduce the temperature on the surface 
of planet Earth?

> The incoming solar energy is essentially fixed (on the short term,
> <1,000 years). So for any amount of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere
> there will be an equilibrium temperature, but that temperature will
> increase when there are more greenhouse gasses present.

The temperatur on the surface is not controlled by the composition of 
the atmosphere, but mainly by sunshine and clouds in the sky.

Clouds are in reallity the main entity, which influences the climate, 
while rare gases may have a little influence at best.

But clouds are entirely ignored by 'climate science'.

Instead of clouds and their formation, we have longish discussions about 
a substance, which has no influence on cloud-creation at all.

I would therefore suggest, to drop the topic of CO2 entirely and 
concentrate on the way more important topic'water'.

Water is THE main substance in relation to climate and weather and 
inconceivable more important than CO2.

Water is also very abundant on Earth. The water cycle is actually just 
enormous and has a volume of about 1 km³ per minute.

This enormous amount of water is actually, what makes the weather on 
Earth, while CO2 has almost negliable influence.

  ...

TH

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                Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-31 09:33 +0100
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                Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-01 10:00 +0100
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                Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-01 09:43 +0100
                Re: climate change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-01-01 16:49 -0800
                Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-01 09:28 +0100
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                Re: climate change nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-01-23 23:10 +0100
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                Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-24 08:48 +0100
                Re: climate change Faustino Biondo <uinn@bfotboia.nt> - 2023-01-25 19:40 +0000
                Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-26 16:40 -0800
                Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-27 08:17 +0100
                Re: climate change Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-01-27 14:31 -0500
                Re: climate change nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-01-28 14:08 +0100
                Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-30 07:35 +0100
                Re: climate change Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-01-30 07:38 -0600
                Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-31 09:34 +0100
                Re: climate change nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-01-31 13:19 +0100
                Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-02-03 11:13 -0800
                Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-02-03 21:49 +0100
                Re: climate change Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-02-03 19:23 -0800
                Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-02-04 21:10 +0100
                Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-02-05 12:06 -0800
                Re: climate change Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-02-05 22:06 -0800
                Re: climate change whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-01-23 16:55 -0600
                Re: climate change Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-01-23 16:52 -0800
                Re: climate change carl eto <carleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-23 17:36 -0800
                Re: climate change Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-01-23 18:39 -0800
                Re: climate change nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-01-23 23:10 +0100
                Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-17 09:57 -0800
                Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-17 10:28 -0800
                Re: climate change Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-01-17 16:20 -0500
                Re: climate change Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-01-18 00:10 -0800
                Re: climate change Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-01-18 16:57 -0500
                Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-19 11:57 -0800
                Re: climate change nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-01-16 23:25 +0100
                Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-16 15:40 -0800
                Re: climate change Edurardo De felice <eduu@eiudece.co> - 2023-01-17 13:49 +0000
                Re: climate change nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-01-11 10:36 +0100
                Re: climate change Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-01-11 02:09 -0800
                Re: climate change nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-01-11 10:36 +0100
                Re: climate change Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-01-11 02:06 -0800
                Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-11 11:29 +0100
                Re: climate change Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-01-11 13:00 -0500
                Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-11 10:44 -0800
                Re: climate change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-01-11 11:17 -0800
                Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-11 10:51 -0800
                Re: climate change whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-01-11 14:36 -0600
                Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-12 08:09 +0100
                Re: climate change Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-01-12 03:55 -0500
                Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-13 08:11 +0100
                Re: climate change nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-01-13 13:12 +0100
                Re: climate change Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-01-13 04:41 -0800
                Re: climate change nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-01-13 16:11 +0100
                Re: climate change Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-01-13 08:54 -0800
                Re: climate change nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-01-13 21:52 +0100
                Re: climate change Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-01-13 11:21 -0500
                Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-14 09:54 +0100
                Re: climate change Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2023-01-14 10:07 +0100
                Re: climate change Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-01-14 12:03 -0800
                Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-14 12:24 -0800
                Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-14 12:26 -0800
                Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-15 08:11 +0100
                Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-10 07:18 +0100
                Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-02 08:06 +0100
                Re: climate change Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-01-02 10:22 -0600
                Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-03 07:27 +0100
                Re: climate change Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-01-02 10:43 -0600
                Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-02 14:54 -0800
                Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-02 14:57 -0800
                Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-02 15:03 -0800
                Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-02 15:10 -0800
                Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-02 17:29 -0800
                Re: climate change thor stoneman <consequently7990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-01 16:20 -0800
                Re: climate change Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-01-01 20:24 -0600
                Re: climate change whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-01-01 19:27 -0600
                Re: climate change thor stoneman <consequently7990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-01 18:02 -0800
                Re: climate change thor stoneman <consequently7990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-01 18:20 -0800
                Re: climate change Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-01-01 20:48 -0600
                Re: climate change Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-01-01 21:29 -0600
                Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-02 08:28 +0100
                Re: climate change Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-01-01 20:29 -0600
                Re: climate change whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-01-01 19:26 -0600
                Re: climate change whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-01-01 06:16 -0600
          Re: climate change "kellehe...@gmail.com" <kelleher.gerald@gmail.com> - 2022-12-23 01:59 -0800
          Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-28 08:10 +0100
            Re: climate change thor stoneman <consequently7990662@gmail.com> - 2022-12-28 11:34 -0800
              Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-29 08:45 +0100
            Re: climate change thor stoneman <consequently7990662@gmail.com> - 2022-12-28 11:47 -0800
              Re: climate change thor stoneman <consequently7990662@gmail.com> - 2022-12-28 12:18 -0800
            Re: climate change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-28 12:34 -0800
              Re: climate change thor stoneman <consequently7990662@gmail.com> - 2022-12-28 13:06 -0800
                Re: climate change thor stoneman <consequently7990662@gmail.com> - 2022-12-28 15:29 -0800
            Re: climate change Santos Anselmetti <ttln@niitstsm.sa> - 2022-12-28 23:33 +0000
  Re: climate change Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-01-05 20:08 +1100
    Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-05 16:17 -0800
      Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-06 08:11 +0100
        Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-06 11:29 -0800
        Re: climate change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-01-06 11:30 -0800
          Re: climate change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-01-06 13:21 -0800
            Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-06 14:20 -0800
        Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-06 14:09 -0800
          Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-06 14:29 -0800
  Re: climate change George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2023-01-12 23:45 -0800
    Re: climate change Otto Fiscella <tfit@tiselelc.it> - 2023-01-13 16:06 +0000
      Re: climate change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-01-13 12:03 -0800
        Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-13 12:08 -0800
        Re: climate change Otto Fiscella <tfit@tiselelc.it> - 2023-01-13 21:10 +0000
          Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-13 16:12 -0800
          Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-13 16:12 -0800

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