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Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans"

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On 2013-09-16, Ramon F Herrera <ramon@conexus.net> wrote:
>
> NSA cryptanalyst: We, too, are Americans

So was Charles Manson an American. Being an American does not
automatically mean that you are good, moral, etc. See Abu Ghraib.
One can easilly  conform to the attitudes of those around you
(especailly if it is a highly secret organization where you cannot
renormalise your stance with respect to other, more open, people)




>
> Summary: ZDNet Exclusive: An NSA mathematician shares his 
> from-the-trenches view of the agency's surveillance activities.
>
> "An NSA mathematician, seeking to help shape the ongoing debate about 
> the agency's foreign surveillance activities, has contributed this 
> column to ZDNet Government. The author, Roger Barkan, also appeared in 
> last year's National Geographic Channel special about the National 
> Security Agency.
>
> "The rest of this article contains Roger's words only, edited simply for 
> formatting.
>
> "Many voices -- from those in the White House to others at my local 
> coffee shop -- have weighed in on NSA's surveillance programs, which 
> have recently been disclosed by the media.
>
> "As someone deep in the trenches of NSA, where I work on a daily basis 
> with data acquired from these programs, I, too, feel compelled to raise 
> my voice. Do I, as an American, have any concerns about whether the NSA 
> is illegally or surreptitiously [...]"
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/nsa-cryptanalyst-we-too-are-americans-7000020689/?s_cid=e539&ttag=e539
>

It is clear, from what Snowdon had acess to, " Analysts ARE free to
wander through all of NSA's collected data willy-nilly, snooping into
any communication they please."

And he then tries to make fun of the critics by implying that they are
concerned that NSA wants to read "recipies your mother mails you". The
concern is that they ARE interested in the political thoughts and plans
of Americans. Or the economic secrets of companies, etc. 

And the lies that the NSA has had to retract give one zero confidence in
the "strict oversight" the analyst claims. 
Sheesh.

> -Ramon

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NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Ramon F Herrera <ramon@conexus.net> - 2013-09-16 10:21 -0500
  Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" "David Eather" <eather@tpg.com.au> - 2013-09-17 10:01 +1000
  Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2013-09-17 03:43 +0100
    Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" "David Eather" <eather@tpg.com.au> - 2013-09-17 17:10 +1000
      Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" "David Eather" <eather@tpg.com.au> - 2013-09-17 19:46 +1000
        Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Ramon F Herrera <ramon@conexus.net> - 2013-09-17 14:36 -0500
  Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-09-17 02:46 +0000
    Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2013-09-17 04:07 +0100
      Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Juergen Nieveler <juergen.nieveler.nospam@arcor.de> - 2013-09-20 06:56 +0000
        Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2013-09-20 09:41 +0100
          Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Juergen Nieveler <juergen.nieveler.nospam@arcor.de> - 2013-09-20 09:53 +0000
            Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2013-09-20 14:10 +0100
  Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Ramon F Herrera <ramon@conexus.net> - 2013-09-17 14:26 -0500
    Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Harry <hepgugl56@gmail.com> - 2013-11-06 16:36 -0500
      Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2013-11-06 23:23 +0000
        Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Casper H.S. Dik <Casper.Dik@OrSPaMcle.COM> - 2013-11-06 23:50 +0000
          Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2013-11-10 19:53 +0000
            Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-11-11 10:31 -0600
              Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2013-11-11 18:09 +0000
                Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-11-12 11:26 -0600
      Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-11-07 00:58 +0000
        Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2013-11-06 20:49 -0500
          Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-11-07 04:50 +0000
        Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Harry <hepgugl56@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 19:54 -0500
        Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Dave Hazelwood <fednatic@gmail.com> - 2013-11-16 21:22 +0800
  Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Tim downing <timotheus.d@gmail.com> - 2013-11-18 09:11 -0800

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