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Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans"

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On 17/09/2013 03:46, unruh wrote:
> On 2013-09-16, Ramon F Herrera <ramon@conexus.net> wrote:
>>
>> NSA cryptanalyst: We, too, are Americans
>
> So was Charles Manson an American. Being an American does not
> automatically mean that you are good, moral, etc. See Abu Ghraib.
> One can easilly  conform to the attitudes of those around you
> (especailly if it is a highly secret organization where you cannot
> renormalise your stance with respect to other, more open, people)
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Summary: ZDNet Exclusive: An NSA mathematician shares his
>> from-the-trenches view of the agency's surveillance activities.
>>
>> "An NSA mathematician, seeking to help shape the ongoing debate about
>> the agency's foreign surveillance activities, has contributed this
>> column to ZDNet Government. The author, Roger Barkan, also appeared in
>> last year's National Geographic Channel special about the National
>> Security Agency.
>>
>> "The rest of this article contains Roger's words only, edited simply for
>> formatting.
>>
>> "Many voices -- from those in the White House to others at my local
>> coffee shop -- have weighed in on NSA's surveillance programs, which
>> have recently been disclosed by the media.
>>
>> "As someone deep in the trenches of NSA, where I work on a daily basis
>> with data acquired from these programs, I, too, feel compelled to raise
>> my voice. Do I, as an American, have any concerns about whether the NSA
>> is illegally or surreptitiously [...]"
>>
>> http://www.zdnet.com/nsa-cryptanalyst-we-too-are-americans-7000020689/?s_cid=e539&ttag=e539
>>
>
> It is clear, from what Snowdon had acess to, " Analysts ARE free to
> wander through all of NSA's collected data willy-nilly, snooping into
> any communication they please."
>

Look again.  Snowden did not have access to personnel data.  He is only 
leaking the management documents.

> And he then tries to make fun of the critics by implying that they are
> concerned that NSA wants to read "recipies your mother mails you". The
> concern is that they ARE interested in the political thoughts and plans
> of Americans. Or the economic secrets of companies, etc.
>
> And the lies that the NSA has had to retract give one zero confidence in
> the "strict oversight" the analyst claims.
> Sheesh.
>
>> -Ramon

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NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Ramon F Herrera <ramon@conexus.net> - 2013-09-16 10:21 -0500
  Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" "David Eather" <eather@tpg.com.au> - 2013-09-17 10:01 +1000
  Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2013-09-17 03:43 +0100
    Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" "David Eather" <eather@tpg.com.au> - 2013-09-17 17:10 +1000
      Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" "David Eather" <eather@tpg.com.au> - 2013-09-17 19:46 +1000
        Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Ramon F Herrera <ramon@conexus.net> - 2013-09-17 14:36 -0500
  Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-09-17 02:46 +0000
    Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2013-09-17 04:07 +0100
      Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Juergen Nieveler <juergen.nieveler.nospam@arcor.de> - 2013-09-20 06:56 +0000
        Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2013-09-20 09:41 +0100
          Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Juergen Nieveler <juergen.nieveler.nospam@arcor.de> - 2013-09-20 09:53 +0000
            Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2013-09-20 14:10 +0100
  Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Ramon F Herrera <ramon@conexus.net> - 2013-09-17 14:26 -0500
    Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Harry <hepgugl56@gmail.com> - 2013-11-06 16:36 -0500
      Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2013-11-06 23:23 +0000
        Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Casper H.S. Dik <Casper.Dik@OrSPaMcle.COM> - 2013-11-06 23:50 +0000
          Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2013-11-10 19:53 +0000
            Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-11-11 10:31 -0600
              Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2013-11-11 18:09 +0000
                Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-11-12 11:26 -0600
      Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-11-07 00:58 +0000
        Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2013-11-06 20:49 -0500
          Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2013-11-07 04:50 +0000
        Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Harry <hepgugl56@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 19:54 -0500
        Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Dave Hazelwood <fednatic@gmail.com> - 2013-11-16 21:22 +0800
  Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" Tim downing <timotheus.d@gmail.com> - 2013-11-18 09:11 -0800

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