Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]

Groups > aus.computers > #73868

Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds

Show all headers | View raw

Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
> Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> Axel <none@not.here> wrote:
>>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>> keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
>>>>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/04/research-finds-ai-users-scarily-
>>>>>>>> willing-to-surrender-their-cognition-to-llms/
>>>>>>> Not surprising at all. It's much the same as all the stories about
>>>>>>> people getting stuck somewhere because they blindly followed their
>>>>>>> satnav. I'm frequently bewildered by how willing people are to
>>>>>>> offload often important decisions to some perceived authority with
>>>>>>> known failings or ulterior motives, but of course politics and
>>>>>>> religion are based on exactly that common willingness. Such AIs
>>>>>>> have all the potential to join those as a new major social power.
>>>>>>   Just like you do with google
>>>>> Google simply points you to places where information exists.
>>>> But the problem is working out what is ignorant shit and what isnt
>>> and AI does that to a large extent
>> Yet you keep posting where it just waffles BS instead. Petzl's
>> didn't even figure out where the data in the article he was asking
>> it to verify had come from (and somehow he still seemed to think it
>> was useful). What you're doing is exactly what the article is
>> talking about - deferring to a false authority rather than deciding
>> for yourself.
> 
> if I can get an answer in seconds to question I want or need answered, I 
> consider that far preferable to endless googling to try to find the 
> answer myself. If I have any doubt about the veracity of the AI answer, 
> I can always check for myself.

Well you clearly don't do much checking before posting its BS to
Usenet so I think you're kidding yourself. Anyway I've said my bit
about that. Like people have with politics and religion, you've got
your blind faith in AI and that's that.

>>   In fact the AI's responses are no more authoritative
>> than the authors of random webpages,
> 
> AI answers are more authoritative than those from authors of random 
> webpages since they're based on the research the AI does to answer the 
> query.

AI answers rely on the AI understanding what random webpages are
actually talking about. AI simply doesn't do that. It just detects
that they contain a few keywords or links that are statistically
associated with those in the prompt. Then it seems Google's AI
loses track, or is so ashamed of itself, that it won't even link
back to those pages when answering some questions.

> answers from 'random webpages' rely on the knowledge, and/or 
> depth of research, of the author and their honesty, and lack of agenda 
> or bias.

Bias or shallow research by a majority of webpages will still give
you biased and weak AI responses (which might even disregard info
on a smaller few good webpages). Moreover a lack of knowledge for
an AI means it doesn't find closely relevent pages at all, yet it
still assembles nonsense from the irrelevent info it does find.

>>   but it tries to tell you what
>> you want to hear,
> 
> no it doesn't. it will tell you if what you're saying is wrong, or if 
> something is true or not.

You litterally posted half the evidence, with it telling you PC
brands are "increasing Linux adoption", then it told me how the
same brands are "Driving Windows adoption". They can't do both,
it's just meaningless, foundationless, babble, serving to affirm
the contention implicit in the question.

> I find it a very useful and time saving tool 
> to answer simple questions. many questions just need confirmation or 
> denial, a yes or no answer, or simply stating some fact.

That's your problem.

> however, no 
> doubt the accuracy of answers would probably depend on the complexity of 
> the question.

You clearly don't need a complex question to get BS out of it.

>> which appears to be all you really care about
> 
> no I want a truthful answer

Yeah well some people say they get that from God, so what can you
do?

-- 
__          __
#_ < |\| |< _#

Back to aus.computers | Previous | Next — Previous in thread | Next in thread | Find similar

Thread

“Cognitive surrender” leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> - 2026-04-04 21:51 +1000
  Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-04-05 08:42 +1000
    Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-05 08:59 +1000
      Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> - 2026-04-05 14:25 +1000
        Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-05 15:36 +1000
          Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> - 2026-04-05 19:20 +1000
            Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 01:53 +1000
          Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-04-05 21:20 +1000
            Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 01:55 +1000
              Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> - 2026-04-06 09:47 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 10:22 +1000
            Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-04-06 08:22 +1000
              Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 09:26 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-04-07 07:53 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 08:42 +1000
              Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-04-06 10:32 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> - 2026-04-06 13:28 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-04-06 14:33 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> - 2026-04-06 21:40 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 03:20 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> - 2026-04-07 15:27 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 16:48 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 15:42 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-04-07 08:18 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 08:52 +1000
        Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-04-05 21:19 +1000
          Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-04-06 08:06 +1000
            Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 08:25 +1000
              Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> - 2026-04-06 09:49 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 10:26 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> - 2026-04-06 13:30 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 15:45 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> - 2026-04-06 21:38 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 03:17 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> - 2026-04-07 15:29 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 16:50 +1000
              Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-04-06 11:38 +1000
              Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-04-07 08:36 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 09:34 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-04-08 09:12 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-08 10:25 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2026-04-08 12:08 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-08 14:07 +1000
            Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-04-06 10:52 +1000
              Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> - 2026-04-06 13:31 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds Axel <none@not.here> - 2026-04-06 14:35 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-06 15:48 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> - 2026-04-06 21:37 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 03:14 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> - 2026-04-07 15:31 +1000
                Re: "Cognitive surrender" leads AI users to abandon logical thinking, research finds "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 16:53 +1000

csiph-web