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Re: What is "local time"?

From hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel)
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: What is "local time"?
Date 2024-10-16 03:45 +0000
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On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 21:28:01 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>
> W dniu 15.10.2024 o 22:29, Python pisze:
> >
> > Le 15/10/2024 à 18:32, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> > >
> > > W dniu 15.10.2024 o 14:52, gharnagel pisze:
> > > >
> > > > Before you talk about "local time" you must first understand
> > > > "time."  What is "time"?  Or maybe, the question is: WHY is
> > > > time?  Does space have time, or do just masses have time?  Is
> > > > there more than one dimension of time?  It appears to be a
> > > > quantum thing/process; we use it, and are ruled by it, but we
> > > > just don't know very much about it.
> > >
> > > It's not very complicated
> >
> > So explain.
>
> It is a coordinate. A purely virtual human
> made abstract, having nothing in commom with
> your precioujs nature. And with your
> precious experiments.

As usual, Wozniak is conflating two different
concepts.  Humans try to model nature, and
since, for example, trees grow, die and decay,
there is something in nature that changes.  We
call that something the passage of time.
Clocks and coordinates and theories are ways
that we model time.  But they aren't time,
just as the map is not the territory.

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What is "local time"?  Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-10-14 11:28 +0000
  Re: What is "local time"? Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2024-10-14 19:34 +0800
    Re: What is "local time"? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-10-16 07:28 +0200
  Re: What is "local time"?  The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-10-14 09:49 -0700
    Re: What is "local time"? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-10-16 07:53 +0200
  Re: What is "local time"?  hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-15 12:52 +0000
    Re: What is "local time"?  Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-10-15 15:09 +0000
    Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-15 18:32 +0200
      Re: What is "local time"? Python <python@not-formail.invalid> - 2024-10-15 20:29 +0000
        Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-15 23:28 +0200
          Re: What is "local time"? Python <python@not-formail.invalid> - 2024-10-15 21:49 +0000
            Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-16 13:01 +0200
          Re: What is "local time"? Python <python@not-formail.invalid> - 2024-10-15 21:52 +0000
            Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-16 13:10 +0200
          Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-16 03:45 +0000
            Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-16 15:34 +0200
              Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-16 19:43 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-16 22:05 +0200
                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-17 04:07 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-17 07:54 +0200
                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-17 13:26 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Python <python@not-formail.invalid> - 2024-10-17 13:37 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-17 16:55 +0200
                Re: What is "local time"? Python <python@not-formail.invalid> - 2024-10-17 15:09 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-17 17:35 +0200
                Re: What is "local time"? Python <python@not-formail.invalid> - 2024-10-17 15:50 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-17 18:24 +0200
                Re: What is "local time"? Python <python@not-formail.invalid> - 2024-10-17 20:48 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-17 23:24 +0200
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-17 17:00 +0200
                Re: What is "local time"? Python <python@not-formail.invalid> - 2024-10-17 15:10 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-17 17:27 +0200
                Re: What is "local time"? Python <python@not-formail.invalid> - 2024-10-17 15:32 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-17 19:54 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-17 23:18 +0200
                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-19 13:52 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-19 21:02 +0200
                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-20 03:52 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-20 07:56 +0200
                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-20 12:09 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-20 15:39 +0200
                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-21 00:04 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-21 08:03 +0200
                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-21 11:59 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-21 15:04 +0200
                Re: What is "local time"? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2024-10-22 03:11 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-22 11:55 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-22 17:56 +0200
                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-23 03:57 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-23 07:56 +0200
                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-23 12:28 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-23 15:14 +0200
                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-23 13:23 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-23 15:48 +0200
                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-23 14:20 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-23 17:08 +0200
                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-24 14:00 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-24 17:53 +0200
                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-24 19:41 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-24 23:37 +0200
                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-25 13:08 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-25 15:40 +0200
                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-25 14:37 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-25 16:44 +0200
                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-25 23:14 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-26 08:53 +0200
                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-27 00:36 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-27 08:37 +0100
                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-28 02:38 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-28 08:05 +0100
                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-28 12:24 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-28 16:37 +0100
                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-28 17:49 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-28 19:29 +0100
                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-29 12:42 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-29 16:11 +0100
                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-30 13:49 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-30 16:24 +0100
                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-31 00:00 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-31 08:16 +0100
                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-31 13:15 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-31 16:55 +0100
                Re: What is "local time"? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-10-23 10:21 -0700
                Re: What is "local time"? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-10-16 15:51 -0700
  Re: What is "local time"? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-10-16 12:03 +0300
    Re: What is "local time"? Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-10-16 13:07 +0000
      Re: What is "local time"? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-10-16 07:49 -0700
        Re: What is "local time"? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-10-18 11:03 -0700
      Re: What is "local time"? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-10-18 11:41 +0300
  Re: What is "local time"?  bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2024-10-27 03:02 +0000

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