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Re: What is "local time"?

From The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: What is "local time"?
Date 2024-10-18 11:03 -0700
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The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Richard Hachel wrote:
> >
> > Le 16/10/2024 à 11:03, Mikko a écrit :
> > > On 2024-10-14 11:28:45 +0000, Richard Hachel said:
> > >
> > >> What is "local time" in relativity?
> > >
> > > The expression is usually not used in Relativity. In particular,
> > > Einstein did not use it.
> >
> > You may be right.
> > For my part, I firmly believe that a lot of words or concepts should be
> > completely abandoned.
> > This will make many relativity lovers jump, I think, but I think it is
> > "necessary for the song" and that one day, we will have to go through it.
> > Example of words or concepts that are TOTALLY useless, even biased.
> > "local time", "relativity of simultaneity by change of reference frame",
> > "local present time", "hypercone of present time",
> > "invariance of the space-time interval", "time-gap": we don't need all of
> > this.
> > At best, it is useless, at worst it is false.
> > And this is only part of the horror that misunderstood RR has become, and
> > I am not even talking about uniformly accelerated media and rotating
> > media.
> > The RR that should remain compatible is so much no longer compatible that
> > we are forced to talk about RG to sweep the dust under the carpet.
> > The same goes for a simple Langevin in apparent speed, it is so ridiculous
> > that we are forced to evade this question, and that no one except me is
> > capable of drawing a simple little space-time diagram for the two
> > protagonists where the lines of simultaneity are horizontal in the present
> > time hyperplane of each.
> > All this is absurd.
> > How many more years or decades before all these stupid notions jump out of
> > the textbooks?
> >
> > R.H.
> 
> I thought I made myself clear what "local time" is?
> 
> "local time" in Albert's Einstein mind is "present time".
> 
> When Albert Einstein says "present time", he means what you calls
> ..."local time".
> 
> If I'm in Los Angeles, and you're in Paris, I will ask you
> 
> "What time is it there now?"
> 
> What am I asking? I'm asking what is the local time.
> 
> "What time is it there now?"
> 
> The operative word is..."there".
> 
> "What time is it *there* now?"
> 
> "there" means 'local time' and also means 'present time' (in Einstein's
> frame of referance)
> 
> "present time" means here and there.
> 
> in a particular place.
> 
> synonyms:  here, there, near, nearby, at hand, close/near at
> https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+present
> 
> But I don't want to know what time is it ...here, there, now...
> 
> I want to know what time is it now...everywhere!
> 
> "everywhere"!
> 
> Do you know where ...everywhere IS????
> 
> Or do I need to show you where is it at?
> 
> You're everywhere.
> 
> You're IN everywhere.
> 
> I want to know what time is it now...everywhere!
> 
> What time is it now...everyehre.
> 
> Not here
> not there...
> 
> but
> 
> EVERYWHERE!!!!


The first 3 seconds of the big bang occured...everywhere.

The first second...everywhere.

an hour later..it's still everywhere.

Now, i don't know hom many seconds has passed since
the first second of the big bang, but total it and
you will have the accurate time of what time it is now.





-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
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What is "local time"?  Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-10-14 11:28 +0000
  Re: What is "local time"? Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2024-10-14 19:34 +0800
    Re: What is "local time"? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-10-16 07:28 +0200
  Re: What is "local time"?  The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-10-14 09:49 -0700
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  Re: What is "local time"?  hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-15 12:52 +0000
    Re: What is "local time"?  Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-10-15 15:09 +0000
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          Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-16 03:45 +0000
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                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-17 13:26 +0000
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                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-19 21:02 +0200
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                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-23 12:28 +0000
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                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-24 14:00 +0000
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                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-31 00:00 +0000
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                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-10-31 13:15 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-10-31 16:55 +0100
                Re: What is "local time"? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-11-01 08:23 +0100
                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-11-01 12:11 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-11-01 14:37 +0100
                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-11-01 16:44 +0000
                Re: What is "local time"? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-11-01 20:32 +0100
                Re: What is "local time"? hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-11-02 01:40 +0000
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                Re: What is "local time"? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-10-16 15:51 -0700
  Re: What is "local time"? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-10-16 12:03 +0300
    Re: What is "local time"? Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-10-16 13:07 +0000
      Re: What is "local time"? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-10-16 07:49 -0700
        Re: What is "local time"? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-10-18 11:03 -0700
      Re: What is "local time"? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-10-18 11:41 +0300
  Re: What is "local time"?  bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2024-10-27 03:02 +0000

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