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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: What is "local time"? |
| Date | 2024-10-16 07:49 -0700 |
| Organization | The Starmaker Organization |
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Richard Hachel wrote: > > Le 16/10/2024 à 11:03, Mikko a écrit : > > On 2024-10-14 11:28:45 +0000, Richard Hachel said: > > > >> What is "local time" in relativity? > > > > The expression is usually not used in Relativity. In particular, > > Einstein did not use it. > > You may be right. > For my part, I firmly believe that a lot of words or concepts should be > completely abandoned. > This will make many relativity lovers jump, I think, but I think it is > "necessary for the song" and that one day, we will have to go through it. > Example of words or concepts that are TOTALLY useless, even biased. > "local time", "relativity of simultaneity by change of reference frame", > "local present time", "hypercone of present time", > "invariance of the space-time interval", "time-gap": we don't need all of > this. > At best, it is useless, at worst it is false. > And this is only part of the horror that misunderstood RR has become, and > I am not even talking about uniformly accelerated media and rotating > media. > The RR that should remain compatible is so much no longer compatible that > we are forced to talk about RG to sweep the dust under the carpet. > The same goes for a simple Langevin in apparent speed, it is so ridiculous > that we are forced to evade this question, and that no one except me is > capable of drawing a simple little space-time diagram for the two > protagonists where the lines of simultaneity are horizontal in the present > time hyperplane of each. > All this is absurd. > How many more years or decades before all these stupid notions jump out of > the textbooks? > > R.H. I thought I made myself clear what "local time" is? "local time" in Albert's Einstein mind is "present time". When Albert Einstein says "present time", he means what you calls ..."local time". If I'm in Los Angeles, and you're in Paris, I will ask you "What time is it there now?" What am I asking? I'm asking what is the local time. "What time is it there now?" The operative word is..."there". "What time is it *there* now?" "there" means 'local time' and also means 'present time' (in Einstein's frame of referance) "present time" means here and there. in a particular place. synonyms: here, there, near, nearby, at hand, close/near at https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+present But I don't want to know what time is it ...here, there, now... I want to know what time is it now...everywhere! "everywhere"! Do you know where ...everywhere IS???? Or do I need to show you where is it at? You're everywhere. You're IN everywhere. I want to know what time is it now...everywhere! What time is it now...everyehre. Not here not there... but EVERYWHERE!!!! -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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Re: What is "local time"? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-10-16 15:51 -0700
Re: What is "local time"? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-10-16 12:03 +0300
Re: What is "local time"? Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-10-16 13:07 +0000
Re: What is "local time"? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-10-16 07:49 -0700
Re: What is "local time"? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-10-18 11:03 -0700
Re: What is "local time"? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-10-18 11:41 +0300
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