Re: Joy of this, Joy of that

Subject	Re: Joy of this, Joy of that
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Date	2024-12-06 23:27 -0500
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On 12/6/24 4:06 AM, D wrote:
> 
> 
> On Fri, 6 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> 
>> On 12/5/24 4:25 AM, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>  the suggestions, check a few boxes ... saves like
>>>>  an hour. Ever set up RAID The Hard Way ? With Yast
>>>
>>> Yast? Are you another opensuse user? I thought I was the only one!
>>
>>  USED to be my fave from LONG back. Found a distro
>>  in WalMart of all places. Had used Red Hat, but
>>  SUSE (now OpenSUSE) had many advanced tools that
>>  made the long and tedious NOT so long and tedious.
> 
> It's been rock solid for me for at least a decade. More probably. I had 
> a consulting gig at a cloud company and I used opensuse. Never had any 
> problem at all. The engineers all had ubuntu and had problems with the 
> wifi all the time. Ubuntu does not seem very good.
> 
>>  Alas after IBM and RH ... that whole group of
>>  derivs ... you're kinda reduced to their beta
>>  testers now. SO sad.
> 
> This is not so good. I hope IBM won't kill redhat in the end.

   Alas I think they will. As said, you are now IBMs
   beta tester. This is valuable for working out a
   number of kinks - but eventually the kinks will
   be kinda dealt with. Then RH and its downstream
   parasites will Go Away.

>>  Switched to Deb - but now IT seems to have hired
>>  a bunch of Canonical rejects .....
> 
> Deb has been on my list to try, in case opensuse finally dies. I also 
> thought about trying Alpine linux but I do not know how much trouble 
> musl will cause me. Finally, if those do not deliver, I thought about 
> actually going back to some of my earliest experiments and try FreeBSD 
> for day to day use. Since I'm not a cutting edfe developer, I only need 
> some basics, which I think all are in the FreeBSD packages, so if they 
> fixed their wifi problem (I tried it 1 year ago and had to run a small 
> linux VM for a working wifi driver) it could definitely be a serious 
> option. Oh, and that would mean it doesn't drain the battery as well. 
> But let's see. I think I can stick with opensuse 15.6 for at least 
> another 2-3 years, and then they might kill the project in favuor of 
> some container based crap.

   Deb WAS the Solid Foundation ... until now. It became
   just another 'Buntu IMHO. Tragic !

   The BSDs are "usable" - really Not Bad. However remember
   they are Unix, not Linux, so a lot of little stuff is
   different. They also tend to be a few years behind when
   it comes to drivers. The real target is SERVERS, not
   desktops.

   OpenSUSE/Tumbleweed ... DID get it to run on a Pi-4,
   albeit a bit clunky sometimes because it isn't a
   "light" distro. Pi-5s are WEIRD ... can't even get
   a Fedora for those even a year on. Apparently the
   boot-up chain of events is a huge kludge. HAVE
   found instructions - pages and pages and pages
   of them - WAY too old for that shit and half of
   it would probably disappear on the next update.

   If you really want an alt, consider Arch and
   derivs. Endeavour is nice. Manjaro works well
   (but, like Tumbleweed, kinda updates the ENTIRE
   system at the slightest change).

>>  Fedora still seems ok - as far as Fedora is OK.
>>  The Manjaro/Endeavour/Arch end is still OK. Never
>>  a fan of Slack, but, who knows ...... gotta keep
>>  evading suckitude.

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