Re: energy and mass

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Am Mittwoch000025, 25.03.2026 um 11:21 schrieb Bill Sloman:
> On 25/03/2026 6:46 pm, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am Sonntag000022, 22.03.2026 um 16:13 schrieb john larkin:
>>> On Sun, 22 Mar 2026 10:45:30 +0100, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am Samstag000021, 21.03.2026 um 15:35 schrieb john larkin:
>>>>> On Sat, 21 Mar 2026 09:42:20 +0100, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Am Freitag000020, 20.03.2026 um 12:28 schrieb john larkin:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Mar 2026 10:55:41 +0100, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am Donnerstag000019, 19.03.2026 um 15:16 schrieb Bill Sloman:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To called Germans 'an ethnic group' is actually Nazism at it's 
>>>>>>>>>> best.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Except that wasn't what was going on. The people who could be 
>>>>>>>>> identified
>>>>>>>>> as "German" were looked over on a case-by-case basis to assess 
>>>>>>>>> whether
>>>>>>>>> they'd be likely to support the German war machine, and a 
>>>>>>>>> fairly small
>>>>>>>>> proportion of them were interned. We couldn't sequence human 
>>>>>>>>> genome
>>>>>>>>> until about 2003, and it isn't all that helpful. I've had it 
>>>>>>>>> done and
>>>>>>>>> while my ancestors mostly came from England one of my great-
>>>>>>>>> grandmothers, while born in England, was a member of a family 
>>>>>>>>> who had
>>>>>>>>> come over from Strasbourg, so I'm one eighth Rhinelander (and 
>>>>>>>>> it does
>>>>>>>>> show up clearly in my genome).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is a little other topic, which isn't discussed that often 
>>>>>>>> and that
>>>>>>>> was the fate of the German POWs in US-camps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They were housed, kept warm, had clean clothes and decent beds, had
>>>>>>> medical care, had books and movies, sometimes had paying jobs, 
>>>>>>> had far
>>>>>>> better food than German soldiers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a famous picture of one of the US POW-Camps in Germany:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/ 
>>>>>> Remagen_enclosure.jpg/500px-Remagen_enclosure.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I see it, there were no tents, no beds, no heating and no fresh 
>>>>>> clothes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Instead the German soldiers had to sit on bare ground with no shelter
>>>>>> what ever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And that enormous camp was just one of many US-camps.
>>>>>
>>>>> When entire divisions or entire armies surrender, it takes a while to
>>>>> sort things out.
>>>>
>>>> Sure.
>>>>
>>>> The USA alone captured more then four million German soldiers.
>>>>
>>>> So: what was their fate?
>>>>
>>>> I personally have never heard of any ships coming from the states and
>>>> releasing large amounts of POWs to German soil (even if I was born in
>>>> Hamburg).
>>>>
>>>> The Soviets did, but only 10% and only in 1955.
>>>>
>>>> That was celebrated and published in all German papers.
>>>>
>>>> But what have they done with German POWs in the USA?
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And there is almost no information available about the further 
>>>>>> fate of
>>>>>> these inmates.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> About soviet camps it is known, that hardly 10% of inmates survived.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But at least those 10% returned home in the mid 1950th.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But what happened to the enormous number of POWs in US-camps?
>>>>>
>>>>> Some married American women.
>>>>
>>>> Well, possibly. But they needed to be released from the camps, before
>>>> they could look for american brides.
>>>
>>> Not always. Many POWs worked on farms, for pay, worked and ate with
>>> the often-female farmers whose men were away or dead.
>>>
>>> Things happened.
>>
>> Sure, that was certainly possible.
>>
>> But I wasn't talking about rare exceptions, but about the mass of the 
>> 4 million POWs.
>>
>> If they were actually released, the USA would most likely shipped them 
>> back to Germany after some years in prison.
> 
> You've been told repeatedly what did happen, based on the wikipedia 
> entry on the subject. It looks as if only 400,000 German POWs got 
> shipped to the US, and they were all shipped back to Europe in 1946 - 
> not to Germany but to the UK and France where they were employed as 
> labourers for three years.
>>
>> But such vessels, of say 1000 POWs each, should have reached a German 
>> port.
> 
> None seem to have been sent directly back to Germany.
> 
>> But apparently these 4000 boats didn't arrive in Germany.
> 
> Only about 400,000 of the German POW's - those captured earlier in WW2 - 
> got shipped to the US. The 3,600,000 captured at the end of WW2 stayed 
> in Europe, as in France and the UK

Look at this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinwiesenlager

If the US forces captured 4.000.000 Germans and brought only 400.000 to 
the USA, then we would need to find out, where the missing 3.600.000 
remained.


The idea, that additional 3.6 million Germans where brought to France is 
just stupid, because France was also suffering in those years and could 
not support so many new 'eaters' (same with the UK, where they still had 
food stamps at that time).

France,Russia and the UK took already numerous German POWs (roughly the 
half of 7.7 million captured Germans in total).

The POWs had to be released, anyhow, because after WWII that war was 
obviously over (togehter with interned US-citizens).

Not to do that and to capture and displace even more people and to force 
them to slave labour was actually a war crime.

Additional war crimes were conducted, because not only military personal 
was captured, but also elderly, weman and children.

Other war crimes were the support of 'ethnic cleansing' by allied 
troops, who helped eviction of Germans for no other reason than they 
were Germans.

Even if there does not exist a German ethnicity, the very definition of 
those who were evicted is a sort of 'ethnic cleansing' (= forcing people 
out of a certain area, which have some personal things in common).


...

TH

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