Re: energy and mass

From	Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity, sci.electronics.design
Subject	Re: energy and mass
Date	2026-03-21 02:15 +1100
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On 20/03/2026 11:06 pm, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 19/03/2026 1:43 am, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 18/03/2026 11:05 pm, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18/03/2026 8:33 am, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 03/17/2026 09:24 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 18/03/2026 2:09 am, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 03/17/2026 06:13 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 17/03/2026 6:52 pm, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Am Samstag000014, 14.03.2026 um 21:43 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> With whom could he possibly talk German in that time?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hitler had made it easy for the Institute of Advanced studies to
>>>>>>>>>> recruit
>>>>>>>>>> talented Germans, and lots of American physicists had spent time at
>>>>>>>>>> German universities before the war.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But also daily life would be easier, if you speak the language
>>>>>>>>>>> of your new home country.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He did. Just not all that well. I lived in the Netherlands for 19
>>>>>>>>>> years and had mastered spoken Dutch within year. Nobody wanted me
>>>>>>>>>> to write stuff in Dutch - we'd have to translate into English for
>>>>>>>>>> our foreign customers - and my written Dutch is more
>>>>>>>>>> comprehensible than correct.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My wife - who was linguist before she became a psycholinguist -
>>>>>>>>>> did much better, but it came at a cost. Her German had been
>>>>>>>>>> pretty much perfect - non-Bavarian Germans though that she was
>>>>>>>>>> Bavarian, and Bavarians did too - but not from their part of
>>>>>>>>>> Bavaria. After she'd got fluent (and correct) in Dutch, Germans
>>>>>>>>>> thought that she was a Dutch person who spoke very good German.
>>>>>>>>>> Not bad for an Australian, but depressing for her.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So, why didn't he learn English in ten years, if he was so
>>>>>>>>>>> intelligent?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He had better things to do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I studied French then German in school also.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I also studied science Russian as an undergraduate, but in my final
>>>>>>>> year. The new professor of organic chemistry threw in a new and
>>>>>>>> very demanding course, and I dropped out of science Russian to find
>>>>>>>> the time to do it justice.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did well on the organic chemistry exam question on that course -
>>>>>>>> which neatly separated the class into batches, and I made the top
>>>>>>>> batch.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I repeated the Science Russian in my first year as graduate
>>>>>>>> student, and passed. It turned out to be a total waste of time. The
>>>>>>>> Russians didn't publish much and the Americans translated
>>>>>>>> everything they did publish.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The francais was once the most international language,
>>>>>>> and the 18'th and 19'th centuries the science and the
>>>>>>> mathematics much belonged to the Lingua Franca, with
>>>>>>> regards to the bastardization of German and Dutch and
>>>>>>> Portuguese and other trade aspects of "pidgin tok".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Encyclopedia was a French project and it was at the core of the
>>>>>> radical enlightenment.
>>>>>
>>>>> The French love to boast about it,
>>>>> as if the Enlightenment was their invention.
>>>>> It had its roots in the Netherlands in the 17th century,
>>>>> but the Dutch dislike boasting, generally.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Spinoza - who turns out to have been key figure
>>>>>> in it if you believe Jonathon Israel, was of Portugese descent, living
>>>>>> in the Netherland and publishing in Latin , which got polished by his
>>>>>> friends on the way to getting published.
>>>>>
>>>>> No need to believe Isreal in particular on this.
>>>>> BTW, Spinoza also wrote and spoke Dutch,
>>>>> but he published mostly in quasi-Latin,
>>>>> because that gave him a far wider range.
>>>>>    
>>>>> PS You might also like Steven Nadler, A Book Forged in Hell
>>>>> on Spinoza.
>>>>> <https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691160184/a-book-forged-i
> n-
>>> hell?srsltid=AfmBOoqXbl1b0Nzjq6DT4W34azsHr0PlOGVvn2ZCmZRoortf22Yiq4VA>
>>>>> If not the book, then at least the blurb.
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't sound as if it adds much to Jonathon Israel's account. Israel
>>>> also identifies Ben Franklin and Thomas Paine as radical enlightenment
>>>> enthusiasts. They were both out of the US when the US constitution was
>>>> drafted with a moderate enlightenment bias, and George Washington wasn't
>>>> all that keen on working to extract Thomas Paine from France after the
>>>> French resolution went sour. The book is clearly aimed at an American
>>>> audience and may be distorted by that.
>>>
>>> Perhaps, but the core of the book was originally delivered
>>> as a series of lectures at the University of Amsterdam,
>>> for Dutch audiences.
>>> BTW, Nadler also wrote a volume on Spinoza for the
>>> Cambridge Introductions to Key Philosophical Texts.
>>> This is Cambridge, England, of course.
>>> Being an American doesn't imply that your writings are aimed
>>> at American audiences.
>>
>> Having an American publisher does make it a whole lot more likely.
>> Of course my wife's psycholinguistic text book was published by the MIT
>> Press, and it is all about cross-linguistic experiments, which makes it
>> a counter-example.
> 
> So you should consider your thesis falsified.

Suspecting that a book might be aimed at an American audience isn't 
actually a theory, and if you want to look at it as a theory it 
obviously can't be falsified by a single counter-example.

> More generally, it doesn't work that way with serous books published by academic presses,
> (on both sides)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve

That was published by

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Press_(publisher)

which had been a fairly academic publisher.

"The Bell Curve" was neo-conservative propaganda, aimed at reactionary 
Americans.

Publishers are much more interested in making money than anything else. 
Academic presses do concentrate more on university libraries (and there 
are about 2000 of them in the US) than regular publishers, but they do 
seem to happy to exploit their academic status by publishing authors who 
want to look academic. Herrnstein actually was an academic, if obviously 
not a very good one, and while Charles Murray was described as a 
political scientist, he was more of right-wing rabble-rouser.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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