Re: energy and mass

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity, sci.electronics.design
Subject	Re: energy and mass
Date	2026-03-22 10:15 +0100
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Am Freitag000020, 20.03.2026 um 16:36 schrieb Bill Sloman:
> On 20/03/2026 8:55 pm, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am Donnerstag000019, 19.03.2026 um 15:16 schrieb Bill Sloman:
>>
>>>> To called Germans 'an ethnic group' is actually Nazism at it's best.
>>>
>>> Except that wasn't what was going on. The people who could be 
>>> identified as "German" were looked over on a case-by-case basis to 
>>> assess whether they'd be likely to support the German war machine, 
>>> and a fairly small proportion of them were interned. We couldn't 
>>> sequence human genome until about 2003, and it isn't all that 
>>> helpful. I've had it done and while my ancestors mostly came from 
>>> England one of my great- grandmothers, while born in England, was a 
>>> member of a family who had come over from Strasbourg, so I'm one 
>>> eighth Rhinelander (and it does show up clearly in my genome).
>>
>>
>> There is a little other topic, which isn't discussed that often and 
>> that was the fate of the German POWs in US-camps.
>>
>>>> The US-citizens with roots in Germany were US-citizens only, because 
>>>> in most cases they spoke English only.
>>>
>>> That didn't matter. It was their sympathies that mattered.
>>
>> Sure, but since when did sympathies bring you in prison?
> 
> Technically speaking, they were interned, rather than imprisoned. It was 
> a precautionary measure rather than any kind of punishment.

In more civilised countries imprisonment is regarded as punishment.

In less civilised countries they have also torture and work in change gangs.

>>
>> Would you, for instance, throw people in to camps, who have sympathies 
>> for Russia?
> 
> If my country was fight a war with Russia, it might be a sensible 
> precaution.

Well, in Nazi times it was illegal in Germany to listen to BBC and was 
punished by death.


>>>> Their home country was also not Germany, because Germany was founded 
>>>> in 1871 and many 'Germans' in the US-population moved to the USA 
>>>> much earlier.
>>>
>>> That didn't matter either.
>>>
>>>> And German is and was spoken in other countries (other than 
>>>> Germany), too:
>>>> Switzerland
>>>> Austria
>>>> Rumania
>>>> Russia
>>>> USA
>>>> Lichtenstein
>>>> Italy
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> So, the entire thing was propaganda at it's finest and conducted by 
>>>> a US-president, who came actually from a family of drug dealers and 
>>>> slave traders.
>>>
>>> There wasn't any propaganda content. It was just anxiety about 
>>> loyalties, and probably not confined to the president. Franklin 
>>> Roosevelt was several generations away from the drug dealers and 
>>> slave traders. He was a fifth cousin of Theodore Roosevelt, but his 
>>> wife Eleanore was Theodore's niece.
>>>
>> You forgot to mention his second name 'Delano'.
> 
> Why would I have bothered? I've always known that. There were only two 
> American presidents named Roosevelt and their first names were enough to 
> distinguish them. Throwing in more looks a bit pretentious.

My problem was: why have they elected a president, who stems from a 
Dutch family of drug dealers and slave traders.

So, where is the logic why the very same country prosecuted US-citizens, 
because their ancestors spoke German???

(The ancestors were neither Germans nor did they come from Germany, 
because Germany didn't exist at the time, the ancestors immigrated).

>> These were the drug traders.
>>
>> FDR was also something I would call 'Gold robber', because he stole 
>> the entire private gold.
> 
> But he got the US out of the Great Depression.

FDR was sitting in his wheel chair and didn't do anything.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102
> 
> He didn't actually steal it. It was a forced purchase at $20.67 per troy 
> ounce, and was actually part of a scheme to reverse the post-Depression 
> deflation of the currency and bump up the money supply.

Sure, FDR didn't steal the gold.

That is absolutely certain.

Reason: he didn't need money and all the gold was way to heavy for his 
wheel chair.

But possibly those powers who brought FDR into the oval office had use 
for gold and had arms strong enough to take it.


TH

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  Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 03:37 +1100
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                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-21 09:42 +0100
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                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 23:28 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-24 23:29 +0100
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                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-26 02:25 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-26 14:11 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-27 02:10 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-26 08:47 -0700
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-25 13:33 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-25 13:45 +0100
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                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-25 08:46 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 21:21 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-26 14:29 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-27 02:27 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 01:41 +1100
              Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 13:06 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-21 09:53 +0100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-21 13:26 +0100
              Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 02:36 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-22 10:15 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 21:38 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-23 08:58 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-23 21:45 +1100
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      Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-18 13:05 +0100
        Re: energy and mass Howard Takeshita <rrad@ar.jp> - 2026-03-18 13:40 +0000

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