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| From | DJ Delorie <dj@delorie.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity, sci.electronics.design |
| Subject | Re: energy and mass |
| References | (10 earlier) <fk8sok1t8vbe7r6nhgl5v8eidkl7mnbcns@4ax.com> <mass-20260212201526@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> <xna4xdit4q.fsf@delorie.com> <photons-20260212222813@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> <10mlq9b$h4me$1@gwaiyur.mb-net.net> |
| Date | 2026-02-12 20:59 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <xn5x81iets.fsf@delorie.com> (permalink) |
Cross-posted to 2 groups.
So... a photon moving at speed of light has some
energy-mass-whatever-equivalent, which is sufficient to warp spacetime.
That change may cause other photons' paths to "bend" as if gravity were
a force, regardless of time effects, because it's not a force, it's a
shape.
I think I got that part [*].
I wonder, though, if there were some non-spacetime actual "force"
between photons (I realize there isn't, but imagine one for a moment).
If said force obeyed the usual F=ma, *now* would time dilation come into
play wrt photons? Two photons travelling next to each other, from their
point of view (or any other), how would that force evolve itself over
"time" ?
(yeah, stupid question maybe, but I still find the answers aka
discussions interesting ;)
[*] except if photons move at the speed of light, and "gravity" does
too, do photons create gravitational shock waves as they travel? Or
does the distortion just travel happily along with the photon? Or
just behind it? How could we find out?
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Cardinalities of sets (was: energy and mass) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-21 16:16 +0100
Re: Cardinalities of sets Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 08:14 -0800
Re: Cardinalities of sets Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 08:30 -0800
Re: Cardinalities of sets Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 08:51 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-20 21:47 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 18:48 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-21 11:19 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 04:52 -0800
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-20 08:29 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-17 23:28 +1100
Re: energy and mass liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-14 10:19 +0000
Re: energy and mass ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-18 02:51 +0000
Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-02-18 09:53 +0100
Re: energy and mass liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-20 15:12 +0000
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-20 09:05 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 05:34 +1100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-20 19:27 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 16:55 +1100
Re: energy and mass ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-11 19:17 +0000
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-11 23:09 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-11 14:11 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-12 11:12 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-12 08:43 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-12 09:41 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-13 11:27 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-13 10:14 -0800
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-11 14:39 -0800
Re: energy and mass Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> - 2026-02-12 09:39 +0000
Re: energy and mass Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-02-12 13:42 +0000
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-12 16:20 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 04:10 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-13 23:40 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-13 15:15 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-18 21:26 +1100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-12 07:38 -0800
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-12 08:21 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 04:26 +1100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-13 10:00 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 15:27 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-13 23:40 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-12 19:39 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-12 11:11 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-12 22:29 +0100
Re: energy and mass Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2026-02-14 18:59 -0500
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 04:19 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-13 10:03 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-13 11:59 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 04:41 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-13 20:57 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 15:22 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-13 23:40 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-14 11:17 +0100
Re: energy and mass Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-02-14 10:20 +0000
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 23:11 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-14 14:21 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-15 10:07 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-15 23:44 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-15 07:34 -0800
Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-02-15 18:41 +0000
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-15 13:18 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-15 21:48 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-17 10:16 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-17 23:41 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-18 16:39 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-19 03:38 +1100
Re: energy and mass athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-17 16:45 +0000
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-17 09:04 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-17 22:31 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-17 14:56 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-18 10:37 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-18 07:35 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-19 03:49 +1100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-18 09:00 -0800
Re: energy and mass Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-02-18 18:35 +0100
Re: energy and mass Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2026-02-18 12:58 -0500
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-18 11:10 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-19 21:09 +1100
Re: energy and mass liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-19 14:00 +0000
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 03:11 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-12 11:12 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 04:01 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-13 23:40 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-13 15:24 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 15:39 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-11 17:21 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-12 14:55 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-12 14:58 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-12 07:43 -0800
Re: energy and mass ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-12 16:23 +0000
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-12 08:44 -0800
Re: energy and mass Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2026-02-12 12:12 -0500
Re: energy and mass ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-12 17:15 +0000
Re: energy and mass ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-13 13:45 +0000
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 05:12 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-13 20:26 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-12 22:08 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-12 22:57 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-13 00:33 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-12 19:39 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-12 11:04 -0800
Re: energy and mass ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-12 19:22 +0000
Re: energy and mass ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-12 20:16 +0000
Re: energy and mass DJ Delorie <dj@delorie.com> - 2026-02-12 15:50 -0500
Re: energy and mass ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-12 21:29 +0000
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-13 01:12 +0100
Re: energy and mass DJ Delorie <dj@delorie.com> - 2026-02-12 20:59 -0500
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-13 03:15 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-13 11:27 +0100
Re: energy and mass DJ Delorie <dj@delorie.com> - 2026-02-13 10:09 -0500
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-13 17:39 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-13 23:40 +0100
Re: energy and mass ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-13 10:29 +0000
Re: energy and mass DJ Delorie <dj@delorie.com> - 2026-02-13 10:21 -0500
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-13 17:34 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-12 23:12 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-12 23:27 +0100
Re: energy and mass The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-02-12 11:28 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-12 22:29 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 05:22 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-13 19:58 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-13 09:50 -0800
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-12 22:03 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-12 23:12 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 05:34 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-13 20:35 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 16:05 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-14 22:57 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-14 21:59 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-15 17:50 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-15 12:47 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-15 23:51 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-15 21:48 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-15 08:13 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-15 21:48 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-15 13:11 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 05:00 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-13 10:19 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 03:17 +1100
Re: energy and mass ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-13 16:20 +0000
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 07:20 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-14 03:31 +0100
Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-02-13 21:50 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-13 15:03 -0800
Re: energy and mass ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-13 23:35 +0000
Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-02-14 10:47 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-14 15:21 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-14 07:58 -0800
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-14 07:54 -0800
Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-02-14 18:01 +0100
Re: energy and mass Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-02-14 20:52 +0100
Re: energy and mass ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-15 17:20 +0000
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-16 13:08 +1100
Re: energy and mass x <x@x.net> - 2026-02-14 15:38 -0800
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-14 03:36 +0100
Re: usenet weirdness Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> - 2026-02-10 22:06 +0000
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