Re: energy and mass

From	Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity, sci.electronics.design
Subject	Re: energy and mass
Date	2026-02-15 23:44 +1100
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On 15/02/2026 8:07 pm, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am Samstag000014, 14.02.2026 um 13:11 schrieb Bill Sloman:
> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> That particular article violated all known rules for scientific 
>>>>> papers and contains about 100 serious(!) errors in all possible 
>>>>> circumstances.
>>>>
>>>> Max Planck didn't bother to send it out for peer-review.
>>>
>>> Sure. But I have not fully understood this fact, because Planck was 
>>> definitely able to see the errors in that paper.
>>
>> He saw things in it that he disliked, but if you want to claim there 
>> were errors in it, you need to spell them out or a least cite a 
>> reference that does that explicitly.
>>
>>> This would lead to assume some sort of 'social engineering', which 
>>> forced Planck accept, what he disliked.
>>
>> I don't think he disliked the paper at all, but it took him a long 
>> time to take quantisation seriously - he saw it more as a mathematical 
>> trick that had let him get around the "ultraviolet catastrophe".
>>
>>> We can actually see this in many photo's of Einstein, when he 
>>> participated any conference or meeting:
>>>
>>> Einstein sat in most cases right in the center and in the first line.
>>>
>>> e.g. this one:
>>> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/ 
>>> Solvay_conference_1927.jpg/1280px-Solvay_conference_1927.jpg
>>>
>>> This position is, subconsciously, perceived as 'importance'.
>>>
>>> But Einstein wasn't a good physicist at all.
>>
>> Not a widely shared opinion.
> 
> Sure, but actually reading papers carefully isn't a widely shared habit, 
> neither.
> 
>>> So, what forces allowed Einstein to smuggle himself in the best place 
>>> on many pictures?
>>
>> The admiration  of his colleagues.
> 
> Well, if you look at the picture from the Solvay conference you see 
> Einstein in the center and the far better and also widely recognized Max 
> Planck squeezed to the side.

Max Planck was a whole lot less active than Einstein as a publishing 
scientist. Max Planck got sucked into administration fairly early in his 
a career. Rating him as "a better scientist than Einstein" suugests that 
your rating system needs fixing.
> 
> The 'setting' looked actually like it was made by some experts in PR and 
> advertising, which had the aim to promote Einstein.

They weren't around at the time,

>>> It must be kind of hidden power, which Einstein had, that had nothing 
>>> at all to do with physics.
>>
>> There was nothing "hidden" about Einstein's power. He wrote four 
>> ground- breaking papers in 1905, and went on to discover general 
>> relativity a few years later. After the total eclipse observations in 
>> 1919 conformed to his theory the newspapers took it up
> Sure, the papers were famous. But for what reasons were they famous?
> 
> It couldn't have been the content or the quality of writing, because 
> both were terrible.

Not a widely shared view - in fact it is pretty much diagnostic of the 
"Einstein was wrong" psychosis which afflicts people who want to attract 
attention, and don't care if it is the wrong kind of attention

> It was a 'fame creates fame' thing and Einstein was kind of 'pop star' 
> of science.

It took 15 years from the 1905 papers for him to become a pop star 
sceintist - he did a lot of work to earn the fame he got.
> 
>> "On 7 November 1919, for example, the leading British newspaper, The 
>> Times, printed a" banner headline that read: "Revolution in Science – 
>> New Theory of the Universe – Newtonian Ideas Overthrown".
> 
> The term 'leading British newspaper' alone said enough.

"The Times" was the voice of the UK establishment - at least until 
Rupert Murdoch bought it in  1981.
> 
> Would you really believe, that 'leading British newspapers' have genuine 
> interest in theoretical physics at all?

British newspapers don't do good science reporting, but in this case The 
Times was merely following informed opinion - Einstein got to be quite a 
famous person around the world.
> 
>>>>> IOW: this particular article is total crap.
>>>>
>>>> Except that it isn't. It didn't get cleaned up by careful 
>>>> peer-review because it was already quite impressive enough to get 
>>>> Max Planck's attention as it stood.
>>>
>>> Sure, but 'peer reviewed crap'.
>>
>> You seem to one of the small population of nut-cases who try to get 
>> noticed by publishing "Einstein was wrong" stories. It gets you 
>> noticed, because he wasn't. You post crap because you want to get 
>> noticed. Einstein didn't publish crap, and got noticed by people who 
>> admired what he had done.
> 
> But WHAT had Einstein actually done?

You clearly don't know, and it would be pointless to try to educate you.
Try looking up "Bose-Einstein condensates" some time, or work out why 
"Bell's Inequalties" got the attention they did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_test

> If you force crap into the minds of scientists, than this isn't 
> beneficial at all.

So you should shut up.

-- 
Bill Sloman. Sydney

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                Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-02-19 14:36 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 07:56 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 03:00 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 07:49 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 05:30 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 07:46 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 05:40 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-19 21:41 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 15:52 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-20 15:22 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-19 11:27 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-19 21:41 +0100
                Re: energy and mass The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-02-19 17:48 -0800
                Re: energy and mass The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-02-20 01:35 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Arie de Muijnck <noreply@ademu.nl> - 2026-02-20 08:19 +0100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-20 11:35 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-02-19 22:11 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2026-02-19 16:52 -0500
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-19 23:57 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 15:49 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-19 20:45 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 07:44 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 06:19 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-19 21:41 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 15:48 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 18:45 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 08:47 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 05:31 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 10:52 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 11:13 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 16:11 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 21:41 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 21:52 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 23:56 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 05:20 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 05:34 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 15:47 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 15:37 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-22 20:34 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 17:27 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 22:50 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 23:44 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 08:54 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 18:04 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 00:38 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 12:28 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 02:27 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 23:35 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 05:08 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-21 12:46 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 15:52 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-22 20:34 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 11:46 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 17:30 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 12:28 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 23:58 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 21:08 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 22:16 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 18:12 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 12:40 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-25 00:09 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 15:15 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-25 03:03 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 20:34 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 15:56 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 22:03 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 22:12 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 00:08 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 05:40 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 15:58 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 23:25 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-22 11:25 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 02:55 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 00:01 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-21 12:46 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 16:06 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-22 11:25 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 03:20 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.invalid (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-22 22:38 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 14:10 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 17:46 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 23:12 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 23:26 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 17:40 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 22:53 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 12:28 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 00:17 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-02-20 20:09 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 11:21 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-21 16:16 +0100
                Cardinalities of sets (was: energy and mass) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-21 16:16 +0100
                Re: Cardinalities of sets Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 08:14 -0800
                Re: Cardinalities of sets Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 08:30 -0800
                Re: Cardinalities of sets Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 08:51 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-20 21:47 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 18:48 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-21 11:19 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 04:52 -0800
                Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-02-23 14:36 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 03:57 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 09:08 -0800
                Re: energy and mass liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-23 18:16 +0000
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 21:49 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 22:28 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 18:15 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 00:42 -0800
                Re: energy and mass liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-24 09:31 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 22:21 +1100
                Re: energy and mass liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-24 22:18 +0000
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 21:08 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 18:19 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-23 23:33 +0100
                Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-02-24 15:53 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-20 08:29 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-17 23:28 +1100
                Re: energy and mass liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-14 10:19 +0000
                Re: energy and mass ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-18 02:51 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-02-18 09:53 +0100
                Re: energy and mass liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-20 15:12 +0000
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-20 09:05 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 05:34 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-20 19:27 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 16:55 +1100
                Re: energy and mass ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-11 19:17 +0000
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-11 23:09 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-11 14:11 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-12 11:12 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-12 08:43 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-12 09:41 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-13 11:27 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-13 10:14 -0800
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-11 14:39 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> - 2026-02-12 09:39 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> - 2026-02-12 13:42 +0000
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-12 16:20 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 04:10 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-13 23:40 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-13 15:15 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-18 21:26 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-12 07:38 -0800
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-12 08:21 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 04:26 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-13 10:00 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 15:27 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-13 23:40 +0100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-12 19:39 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-12 11:11 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-12 22:29 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2026-02-14 18:59 -0500
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 04:19 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-13 10:03 +0100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-13 11:59 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 04:41 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-13 20:57 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 15:22 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-13 23:40 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-14 11:17 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-02-14 10:20 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 23:11 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-14 14:21 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-15 10:07 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-15 23:44 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-15 07:34 -0800
                Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-02-15 18:41 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-15 13:18 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-15 21:48 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-17 10:16 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-17 23:41 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-18 16:39 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-19 03:38 +1100
                Re: energy and mass athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-02-17 16:45 +0000
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-17 09:04 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-17 22:31 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-17 14:56 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-18 10:37 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-18 07:35 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-19 03:49 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-18 09:00 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-02-18 18:35 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2026-02-18 12:58 -0500
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-18 11:10 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-19 21:09 +1100
                Re: energy and mass liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-19 14:00 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 03:11 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-12 11:12 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 04:01 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-13 23:40 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-13 15:24 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 15:39 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-11 17:21 +0100
              Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-12 14:55 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-12 14:58 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-12 07:43 -0800
                Re: energy and mass ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-12 16:23 +0000
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-12 08:44 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2026-02-12 12:12 -0500
                Re: energy and mass ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-12 17:15 +0000
                Re: energy and mass ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-13 13:45 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 05:12 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-13 20:26 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-12 22:08 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-12 22:57 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-13 00:33 +0100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-12 19:39 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-12 11:04 -0800
                Re: energy and mass ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-12 19:22 +0000
                Re: energy and mass ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-12 20:16 +0000
                Re: energy and mass DJ Delorie <dj@delorie.com> - 2026-02-12 15:50 -0500
                Re: energy and mass ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-12 21:29 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-13 01:12 +0100
                Re: energy and mass DJ Delorie <dj@delorie.com> - 2026-02-12 20:59 -0500
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-13 03:15 +0100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-13 11:27 +0100
                Re: energy and mass DJ Delorie <dj@delorie.com> - 2026-02-13 10:09 -0500
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-13 17:39 +0100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-13 23:40 +0100
                Re: energy and mass ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-13 10:29 +0000
                Re: energy and mass DJ Delorie <dj@delorie.com> - 2026-02-13 10:21 -0500
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-13 17:34 +0100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-12 23:12 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-12 23:27 +0100
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                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-12 22:29 +0100
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                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-13 19:58 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-13 09:50 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-12 22:03 +0100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-12 23:12 +0100
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                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-13 20:35 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 16:05 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-14 22:57 +0100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-14 21:59 +0100
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                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-15 21:48 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-15 08:13 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-15 21:48 +0100
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                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 05:00 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-13 10:19 -0800
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                Re: energy and mass ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-13 16:20 +0000
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                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-14 03:31 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-02-13 21:50 +0100
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                Re: energy and mass ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-13 23:35 +0000
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                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-14 15:21 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-14 07:58 -0800
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                Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-02-14 18:01 +0100
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                Re: energy and mass ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-15 17:20 +0000
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