Re: energy and mass

Subject	Re: energy and mass
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From	Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date	2026-02-22 11:15 -0800
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On 02/22/2026 10:30 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On 02/22/2026 07:42 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>> On 22/02/2026 10:24 pm, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>> On 02/22/2026 03:11 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>>> On 02/22/2026 01:20 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>> On 22/02/2026 6:18 pm, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>>>>> On 02/21/2026 08:27 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>> On 22/02/2026 12:06 am, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 02/21/2026 04:23 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2026 4:31 pm, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 02/20/2026 08:39 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2026 3:46 am, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Feb 2026 18:32:18 +1100, Bill Sloman
>>>>>>>>>>>> <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2026 3:54 am, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Feb 2026 14:13:06 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (J. J.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lodder) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19/02/2026 9:56 pm, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19/02/2026 7:49 am, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/18/2026 12:43 PM, Python wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 18/02/2026 à 20:13, Ross Finlayson a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I felt it helped me a lot with the post-COVID sequelae,
>>>>>>>>>> and everything else, while it's not a usual thing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (Also had a nice time with the ultrasound tech.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It seems everybody forget everybody has COVID.
>>>>>>>>>> That said, the post-nasal pharyngeal swab with
>>>>>>>>>> the Tobacco Mosaic Virus epitopes and the
>>>>>>>>>> Omicron the "COVID-Lite" really helped crowd it out.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A shot of remdesivir when the MERS was kicking in
>>>>>>>>>> before COVID also seemed to help, and hopefully
>>>>>>>>>> the Hep B vaccine was helpful, while though I
>>>>>>>>>> never took the mRNA jab and intend never will,
>>>>>>>>>> then also I hope to avoid the Crow-vid and Cow-vid
>>>>>>>>>> (and, Pig-vid) and avoid food animals with mRNA jabs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why the anxiety about mRNA vaccines? At least you know exactly
>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> are getting. You can't be as confident about the effect on you
>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>> we've all got about a million single-nucleotide polymorphisms
>>>>>>>>> (out of
>>>>>>>>> our three billion nucleotides). Enough people have had their DNA
>>>>>>>>> sequenced that we can hope that we will eventually learn about the
>>>>>>>>> interaction between particular vaccines and particular genomes,
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> that's going to be a long way off.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not that it's so relevant to matters of great theory,
>>>>>>>> yet besides that the mRNA operation is not only like
>>>>>>>> a terrible infection yet also like a junk machine
>>>>>>>> about inflammation and also incredibly cheap and
>>>>>>>> depending on hijacking the body's RNA replication
>>>>>>>> mechanisms, there's also that wild-type Coronaviridae
>>>>>>>> are part of the body's viriome and part of messaging
>>>>>>>> and signaling in the body.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What a load of ignorant hyperbole. The whole point of the mRA
>>>>>>> vaccine
>>>>>>> against Covid-19 was that it didn't replicate the whole virus but
>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>> just the segment that latched onto the ACE-receptor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That segment couldn't mutate much without crippling the capacity
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> virus to infect us, so it was stable target, and it couldn't do
>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>> else so it wasn't going to get into the human viriome.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also there's that mRNA is more authentically messenger RNA,
>>>>>>>> it should also be mu-RNA or miRNA I suppose it is, since
>>>>>>>> mRNA and tRNA and so on were already used. So, I'm
>>>>>>>> simply against it since it's dirt cheap and subverts
>>>>>>>> natural mechanisms, then that ideas like traditional vaccines
>>>>>>>> with more expensive yet live-type results are having a much
>>>>>>>> longer run of testing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In other words you haven't got a clue about what was actually gong
>>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The other vaccines in development like the original Oxford
>>>>>>>> vaccine were much more involved and intended to treat
>>>>>>>> originally other diseases like those of the T-viridae.
>>>>>>>> Then TMV post-nasal delivered epitopes and Omicron
>>>>>>>> crowded it out, it being the successive waves of the
>>>>>>>> contents of SARS capsid payloads.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since at least twenty years ago there's a laboratory
>>>>>>>> where one can simply order DNA, or RNA, assembled to sequence,
>>>>>>>> then there are virus research labs who make their own.
>>>>>>>> It's not rocket science, though, it is virus science.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't confuse "miRNA rejection" with "vaccine intolerance".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Both look identical to pig ignorance. Doctor Johnson talked about
>>>>>>> arguing precedence between a flea and a louse. I'm not going to
>>>>>>> bother.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Somehow I didn't die. Yet, ....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm curious, how many times you got the jab,
>>>>>> and whether you were ever, "positive", for COVID.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've had about five or six anti-Covid innoculations. I did eventually
>>>>> catch it after I'd had a couple, and it put me in hospital for four
>>>>> days. My digestive system was where it struck, which was messy and
>>>>> disabling.
>>>>>> Here about half the population didn't get the jab.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's poor health care.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Stories of reactions are widespread.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course they are. Alarmist rumours spread like wildfire.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whether it reduced transmissibility is arguable,
>>>>>> since it's clear that 100% of the population
>>>>>> got COVID.
>>>>>
>>>>> It does reduce transmission - people who catch it after having been
>>>>> innoculated don't get as sick, and don't stay sick for as long, so
>>>>> they
>>>>> spread less of the virus. Back when the population was still getting
>>>>> vaccinated it was noticed that those who had been vaccinated were much
>>>>> less likely to die of the disease if they did get infected.
>>>>>
>>>>>> These days pretty much everybody still has
>>>>>> a nominally non-zero COVID virus load.
>>>>>
>>>>> What makes you think that? Long Covid does exist, but it's not all
>>>>> that
>>>>> common.
>>>>>
>>>>>> First time I ever saw a dead body laying out
>>>>>> on the street, ....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That cat was already out of the bag.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Over on sci.math there was a great long thread
>>>>>> "What's the best vaccine for COVID-19?", then
>>>>>> it was appreciated that medical journals opened
>>>>>> up, and it was rather thoroughly studied here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matters of macropinocytosis and the like and
>>>>>> issues with platelets and fibrosis has that
>>>>>> the COVID-associated is a head-to-toe disease,
>>>>>> or as rather, toe-to-head.
>>>>>> Don't get me wrong, I'm up on MMR and tetanus
>>>>>> and polio and about hep b, yet, not shingles,
>>>>>> which is also endemic, I contracted the chicken
>>>>>> pox as a youth, and not to forget pertussis or
>>>>>> for that matter D68 or tuberculosis, and within
>>>>>> a few weeks of going to college there went
>>>>>> mononucleosis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No mRNA, though.
>>>>>
>>>>> It hadn't been invented back then.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I recall one person, over the bookstore counter,
>>>>>> I asked how are today and Bree said "I've been
>>>>>> out a couple days. I got the COVID shot and
>>>>>> overnight a painful baseball-sized welt grew on
>>>>>> my arm, accompanied with other deleterious reactions."
>>>>>> I was like, "Then what happened?". And she said,
>>>>>> "I called my doctor and asked her if this was normal.
>>>>>> And she said 'Yeah right. "Normal"'"
>>>>>
>>>>> Not my experience or that of my wife.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyways the TMV and Omicron saved a lot of people.
>>>>>
>>>>> The mRNA vaccines saved many more.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yet, ....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Funny, when I got the PCR test they said I didn't have it, ...,
>>> yet, I felt it the first time the grocery checker sneezed,
>>> and feel lucky to have survived the heart attacks and
>>> the respiratory syncytia and the brain fog and the
>>> tendonitis and the dispepsia and the diverticulitis
>>> and all the other associated issues with fibrosis and
>>> defibrosis of a sincerely involved and thorough immune reaction.
>>> Then later all the cancer and remission, ....
>>>
>>> Well, discussion about COVID is off-topic, yet much like
>>> talking about common language, and common literature,
>>> is how it falls to the common experience.
>>>
>>> That said then, I'm curious about the "Theory of Everything".
>>
>> Don't try to walk before you can crawl.
>>
>>> By definition it would be singular, ..., then that it's a
>>> real theory of everything including reason and logic and
>>> mathematics, and physics and probability and science,
>>> and the accounts of language and inter-subjectivity,
>>> here there is one and it's a realist's.
>>
>> When the standard model doesn't cover gravity, it's a bit early to start
>> talking about a theory of everything.
>>
>> Chomsky upset linguistic theory with his remarkably powerful approach to
>> language, even though he doesn't seem to have any idea how the human
>> language processing system might have evolved.
>>
>> Slightly incoherent theories that work within their specialised areas
>> are perfectly fine.
>>
>> Einstein wasted a lot of his life trying to get a bit closer to a theory
>> everything. If he'd been less ambitious, he might have been more useful.
>>
>
> Rather, a bit too late, ....
>
> Chomsky's not all that, not much for Whorf either.
>
> Here linguistics is more a course of philology.
>
>
> You know, I didn't really think that experts trained in
> a scientific field could be so ignorant of holistic
> dual monism.
>
> Here there's already a theory of everything called "A-Theory".
> I've written about it on and off for decades, and from my
> video essays "Logos 2000" there "paradox-free reason",
> "Foundations briefly", and "A Theory", for starters.
>
>
> "He don't know me too well do he."
>
>

When I'm interested in linguistics as natural language understanding,
I look to the ACL Anthology https://aclanthology.org,
not whether Chomsky proves to followers he can't parse it.

The multi-pass parser and Tesniere grammars and otherwise
the structural account of grammar, since for example
Panini was the father of grammar, is considered a much
greater account of linguistics for grammar's sake, and
thoroughly the textual, not for phonemes the ape and bird sounds.


Whatmough has a great account of language, and Huppe and
Kaminsky have a good little book on logic and language.

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                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-25 02:19 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 20:34 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-25 16:05 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-25 11:46 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-25 08:33 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 12:28 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 08:46 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 09:26 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 21:49 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 22:30 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 12:40 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 09:02 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 20:34 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-25 16:17 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-25 11:46 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-25 08:35 -0800
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-25 10:01 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-26 13:24 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-26 16:50 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-26 11:21 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-02-26 11:29 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-02-26 12:32 +0100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-26 13:24 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-02-26 18:33 +0100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-26 21:39 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-26 06:05 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-02-26 15:32 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-26 06:41 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-02-26 18:11 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-26 10:40 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-02-26 20:12 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-26 11:52 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-28 10:14 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 00:04 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-01 10:08 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 20:40 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-03 09:53 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-03 23:14 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-05 11:57 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-06 01:43 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-05 16:03 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-05 08:48 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-05 22:03 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-05 14:32 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-06 16:47 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-05 18:20 -0800
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-06 11:01 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-07 16:48 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-06 21:56 -0800
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-07 04:16 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-08 00:31 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 07:08 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-08 00:29 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-05 08:42 -0800
                Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-03-05 18:48 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-05 12:32 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-06 05:57 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-08 09:40 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-09 01:37 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-01 13:13 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-28 06:51 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-28 07:06 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 17:05 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-01 10:46 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-28 10:03 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 00:17 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-01 10:26 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 21:03 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-03 10:06 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-03 23:40 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-03 13:47 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-04 16:25 +1100
                Re: energy and mass liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-03-04 09:42 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-04 02:52 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-07 23:39 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-06 09:37 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-07 00:36 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-06 07:47 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-07 17:12 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 06:59 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-08 11:33 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 19:19 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-09 01:44 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 08:29 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-09 12:52 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 20:04 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 20:17 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-10 00:09 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 07:36 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 09:09 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 10:59 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 11:41 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 13:18 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-09 23:59 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 07:32 -0700
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-09 21:49 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 15:24 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-08 09:53 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-09 02:07 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-01 12:49 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-27 04:05 +1100
                Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-02-28 15:06 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-28 07:27 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-05 08:54 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-06 06:12 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-28 16:31 +0100
                Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-02-28 23:02 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-01 00:12 +0100
                Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-03-01 00:33 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-28 16:52 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-01 02:30 +0100
                Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-03-01 07:09 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-01 02:13 +0100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-01 10:45 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-01 23:57 +0100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-01 10:45 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-25 08:32 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 18:51 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 12:40 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-25 00:32 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 15:15 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-25 02:31 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 20:34 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 14:53 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-27 17:42 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-27 10:43 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 09:17 -0800
                Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-02-24 18:41 +0000
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 20:34 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 08:56 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 21:08 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 22:27 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 12:40 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-02-19 14:36 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 07:56 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 03:00 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 07:49 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 05:30 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 07:46 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 05:40 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-19 21:41 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 15:52 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-20 15:22 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-19 11:27 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-19 21:41 +0100
                Re: energy and mass The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-02-19 17:48 -0800
                Re: energy and mass The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-02-20 01:35 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Arie de Muijnck <noreply@ademu.nl> - 2026-02-20 08:19 +0100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-20 11:35 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-02-19 22:11 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> - 2026-02-19 16:52 -0500
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-19 23:57 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 15:49 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-19 20:45 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 07:44 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 06:19 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-19 21:41 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 15:48 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 18:45 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 08:47 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 05:31 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 10:52 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 11:13 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 16:11 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 21:41 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 21:52 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 23:56 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 05:20 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 05:34 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 15:47 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 15:37 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-22 20:34 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 17:27 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 22:50 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 23:44 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 08:54 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 18:04 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 00:38 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 12:28 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 02:27 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 23:35 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 05:08 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-21 12:46 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 15:52 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-22 20:34 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 11:46 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 17:30 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 12:28 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 23:58 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 21:08 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 22:16 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 18:12 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 12:40 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-25 00:09 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 15:15 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-25 03:03 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 20:34 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-26 17:07 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-26 11:21 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-27 04:29 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-26 21:39 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-27 17:48 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-27 10:43 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-28 04:19 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-27 21:48 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-28 17:14 +1100
                Re: energy and mass liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-27 21:02 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-26 10:22 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-27 05:08 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-26 09:52 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-27 04:54 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-28 10:28 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 00:52 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-01 10:39 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 21:35 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-01 08:43 -0800
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-01 10:45 -0800
                Re: energy and mass athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-01 19:53 +0000
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-01 12:53 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-01 20:31 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 15:56 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 22:03 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 22:12 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 00:08 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 05:40 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 15:58 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 23:25 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-22 11:25 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 02:55 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 00:01 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-21 12:46 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 16:06 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-22 11:25 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 03:20 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.invalid (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-22 22:38 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 14:10 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 17:46 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 23:12 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 23:26 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 17:40 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 22:53 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 12:28 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 00:17 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-02-20 20:09 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 11:21 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-21 16:16 +0100
                Cardinalities of sets (was: energy and mass) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-21 16:16 +0100
                Re: Cardinalities of sets Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 08:14 -0800
                Re: Cardinalities of sets Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 08:30 -0800
                Re: Cardinalities of sets Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 08:51 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-20 21:47 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 18:48 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-21 11:19 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 04:52 -0800
                Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-02-23 14:36 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 03:57 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 09:08 -0800
                Re: energy and mass liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-23 18:16 +0000
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 21:49 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 22:28 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 18:15 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 00:42 -0800
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-25 18:54 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-25 11:34 -0800
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-25 23:01 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-25 20:51 -0800
                Re: energy and mass liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-24 09:31 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 22:21 +1100
                Re: energy and mass liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-24 22:18 +0000
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 21:08 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 18:19 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-23 23:33 +0100
                Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-02-24 15:53 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-25 14:48 +0100
                Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-02-25 15:54 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-25 17:48 +0100
                Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-02-26 13:10 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-20 08:29 +0100
          Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-17 23:28 +1100
    Re: energy and mass liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-14 10:19 +0000
    Re: energy and mass ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-18 02:51 +0000
      Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-02-18 09:53 +0100

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