Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution

From	"James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.system, alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.cellular-phone-tech
Subject	Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution
Date	2017-04-23 20:11 +0100
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Message-ID	<op.yy5ww6w8js98qf@red.lan> (permalink)
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On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 20:05:52 +0100, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <op.yy5wglmyjs98qf@red.lan>, James Wilkinson Sword
> <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:
>
>> >> >> > it's 10 mp. it is not upsampled. there are no lies.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Show me an output from one that is a true 10MP, because mine certainly
>> >> >> does
>> >> >> not produce 10MP, more like 2.5.  And I can't see that being a fault.
>> >> >> And
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> can't see them accidentally fitting the wrong CCD.
>> >> >
>> >> > why do you think it's 2.5?
>> >> >
>> >> > the output is 3648 x 2736 pixels, which is 10 mp (actually 9980928).
>> >> > zooming in will show each individual pixel. there is no upsampling.
>> >>
>> >> Because every single photo I've taken with it does not have 1 unique pixel
>> >> per pixel of the image.
>> >
>> > then you're doing something to alter it.
>>
>> I gave you an example from another person using the same model below.  It is
>> also nothing like 10MP.
>
> it's 10 mp.

Again, if you view it 1:1 you can clearly see there are not as many unique pixels as your monitor.

>> >> My Canon EOS 10D does.  The Fuji produces pictures
>> >> which look perfect when zoomed out 1:2 (which is 4 times less pixels that
>> >> it should have).
>> >
>> > that doesn't mean what you think it means.
>>
>> Of course it does.  When viewed at 1:1, there are not enough pixels to make
>> each pixel on the monitor unique.
>
> each pixel doesn't have to be unique. pixels can (and sometimes do)
> have the same value.

In this case they always do.

> take a picture of a solid black wall or better yet, with the lens cap
> on, and every pixel will be black (with minor variances).

Completely and utterly irrelevant.

>> >> Here's an example taken with the same Fuji model by someone else.
>> >> Download
>> >> the "original size" and view it at 1:1, and note it has nowhere near enough
>> >> detail to be as good as your monitor can show.
>> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/7726760@N08/2615523533/sizes/o/
>> >
>> > lack of detail doesn't mean the camera maker is lying about the number
>> > of megapixels.
>>
>> The image I get from the camera, and from the other person's camera in that
>> link, is about 2.5MP, not 10.  Fuji lied, end of story.
>
> they didn't lie.

They did because, again, if you view it 1:1 you can clearly see there are not as many unique pixels as your monitor.  In any example you choose to look at.  Yet the XE-2 does.

>> >> Find me an example which does....
>> >
>> > all of them.
>> >
>> > the *only* camera maker who consistently lies about the number of
>> > megapixels is sigma.
>>
>> I've just proved Fuji does, with the link above.  Now go find me
>> an example which is a real 10MP from that model, or you're wrong.
>
> you didn't prove any such thing.

If you think I'm wrong, state WHY, just disagreeing makes you look like a fool.

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Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-21 13:01 +0100
  Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-21 10:13 -0400
    Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-21 15:21 +0100
      Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-21 10:32 -0400
        Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-21 15:35 +0100
          Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-21 10:40 -0400
            Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-21 15:46 +0100
              Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-21 11:04 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-21 16:11 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-21 11:28 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-21 16:39 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-21 11:41 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-23 18:47 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 13:56 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-23 20:01 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 15:05 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-23 20:11 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 15:16 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-23 21:21 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 16:34 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-04-23 11:22 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-23 19:56 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 15:05 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-23 20:09 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 15:16 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-23 21:23 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 16:34 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 12:20 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-23 21:20 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 16:34 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 14:34 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 00:48 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 16:54 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 19:58 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 01:04 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 17:05 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 01:08 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 17:12 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 20:17 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 15:47 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 20:17 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 17:30 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 17:09 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 01:11 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 20:17 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 17:31 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 20:53 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 18:43 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 22:01 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 19:03 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-24 09:58 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-24 09:29 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 17:19 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 15:46 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-24 11:05 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 16:18 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-24 09:31 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2017-04-24 10:10 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 16:19 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-24 09:31 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 00:59 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 17:11 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-04-23 17:03 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 01:07 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-04-23 17:26 -0700

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