Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution

From	Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.system, alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.cellular-phone-tech
Date	2017-04-23 17:26 -0700
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Subject	Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution

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On 2017-04-24 00:07:23 +0000, "James Wilkinson Sword" 
<imvalid@somewear.com> said:

> On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 01:03:49 +0100,  wrote:
> 
>> On 2017-04-23 23:48:07 +0000, "James Wilkinson Sword"
>> <imvalid@somewear.com> said:
>> 
>>> On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 22:34:32 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 4/23/17, 1:20 PM, in article op.yy5z4eafjs98qf@red.lan, "James Wilkinson
>>>> Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 20:20:37 +0100, Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 4/23/17, 11:56 AM, in article op.yy5v8qebjs98qf@red.lan, "James Wilkinson
>>>>>> Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Here's an example taken with the same Fuji model by someone else.
>>>>>>>>> Download the "original size" and view it at 1:1, and note it has
>>>>>>>>> nowhere near enough detail to be as good as your monitor can show.
>>>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/7726760@N08/2615523533/sizes/o/
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Find me an example which does....
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I wouldn't know about that particular Fujifilm camera, but here is an
>>>>>>>> uncropped 3264 x 4896 JPEG taken with an X-E2.
>>>>>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/ho4tzfi4k2w15dg/_DSF4091.jpg>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That I would say is a genuine 16MP camera.  The predecessor to the one I
>>>>>>> have admitted it used interpolation.  I had that model too.  The s1000fd
>>>>>>> claims to be a genuine 10MP camera, but isn't.  I guess in the future I look
>>>>>>> at example shots before buying.  Maybe Fuji learned their lesson.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am FAR from an expert in camera tech, but MP is only one aspect of what
>>>>>> impacts the final look of an image. Heck, if you view mostly on screen MP
>>>>>> means little (except for how much you can zoom).
>>>>>> 
>>>>> It may not be the CCD, it may be the lens (which I doubt as Fuji are supposed
>>>>> to make good lenses), but the fact remains that the output is what I'd get
>>>>> from a genuine 2.5MP camera.  If I reduce the size of the image by 50% (as in
>>>>> 25% area - to 2.5MP), then increase it again to 10MP, the result is almost
>>>>> identical.  Therefore there was no more data than a 2.5MP image.
>>>> 
>>>> The lens matters, the sensitivity, the processing done by the camera (or if
>>>> it offers RAW), and a lot more I am sure I am clueless about.
>>> 
>>> What matters to me is I paid for a 10MP camera and I get a 2.5MP
>>> output.  I will never buy Fuji again.  Canon did not let me down, I
>>> will go with them in the future.
>> 
>> Then you will miss out on some of the best new cameras currently
>> available. The Fujifilm X series cameras (X-Pro2, X-T2, X-T20, X100F,
>> X-E2) are a far cry from your now discontinued, 10 year old, s1000fd
>> bridge camera, with its small 1/2.3" sensor.
>> 
>> If you are ever camera shopping you should at least take a look at what
>> Fujifilm has to offer these days. I made the change from a Nikon DSLR
>> system to a Fujifilm mirrorless X-system and I am quite happy with my
>> X-E2 and X-T2.
> 
> Fair enough, maybe they've improved.  I'll look at output samples on 
> camera review sites and consider any manufacturer.

No maybe about it.
You can start here:
<https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilm-x-t2>
-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-21 15:21 +0100
  Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-21 10:32 -0400
    Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-21 15:35 +0100
      Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-21 10:40 -0400
        Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-21 15:46 +0100
          Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-21 11:04 -0400
            Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-21 16:11 +0100
              Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-21 11:28 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-21 16:39 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-21 11:41 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-23 18:47 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 13:56 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-23 20:01 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 15:05 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-23 20:11 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 15:16 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-23 21:21 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 16:34 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-04-23 11:22 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-23 19:56 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 15:05 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-23 20:09 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 15:16 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-23 21:23 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 16:34 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 12:20 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-23 21:20 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 16:34 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 14:34 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 00:48 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 16:54 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 19:58 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 01:04 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 17:05 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 01:08 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 17:12 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 20:17 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 15:47 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 20:17 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 17:30 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 17:09 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 01:11 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 20:17 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 17:31 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 20:53 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 18:43 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 22:01 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 19:03 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-24 09:58 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-24 09:29 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 17:19 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 15:46 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-24 11:05 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 16:18 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-24 09:31 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2017-04-24 10:10 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 16:19 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-24 09:31 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 00:59 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 17:11 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-04-23 17:03 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 01:07 +0100
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