Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution

From	Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.system, alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.cellular-phone-tech
Subject	Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution
Date	2017-04-24 09:29 -0700
Message-ID	<D523760B.A124C%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> (permalink)
References	(20 earlier) <230420172017357660%nospam@nospam.invalid> <D522957F.A1124%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> <230420172053588600%nospam@nospam.invalid> <D522A66C.A1152%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> <_vnLA.25066$ex6.21135@fx27.iad>

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On 4/24/17, 6:58 AM, in article _vnLA.25066$ex6.21135@fx27.iad, "Wolf K"
<wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> On 2017-04-23 21:43, Snit wrote:
>> On 4/23/17, 5:53 PM, in article 230420172053588600%nospam@nospam.invalid,
>> "nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> In article <D522957F.A1124%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit
>>> <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It may state 10MP, but the output is not as good as other 10MP cameras.
>>>>> 
>>>>> maybe so, but it's still 10 mp of data.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I can reduce it to 2.5MP in Photoshop, then increase it back to 10MP, and
>>>>>> get the same result.
>>>>> 
>>>>> no you can't. you've lost data.
>>>> 
>>>> Right. If he posts an image I will show doing as he says with a top layer
>>>> copied from the original... then set the top to "difference" and increase
>>>> the contrast. Zoom in and you will see there are differences. Likely not
>>>> even zooming in.
>>> 
>>> all his experiment demonstrates is his photo has very little high
>>> frequency content, which could be for all sorts of reasons.
>>> 
>>> for example, take a photo of a solid white wall or a clear blue sky. if
>>> you downsize/upsize, it will look the same because there isn't any
>>> detail in the original.
>>> 
>>> that has nothing to do with how many pixels there are in the camera
>>> that took it.
>>> 
>>> repeat it with something with lots of detail and there *will* be a
>>> noticeable difference.
>>> 
>>> another difference is that he's comparing a canon slr with a much
>>> larger sensor and far better lens versus a compact p&s camera.
>> 
>> Give me a choice between a camera with more MP and another with better zoom
>> and less noise and I would pick the one with fewer MP. The number of MP are
>> hardly the only things that matters, and given I use my images mostly
>> onscreen and not printed MP really means very little to me.
> 
> Agreed. MP can make a difference if you want to print large format,
> 11x17 and up. Most people want snapshots and the occasional 5x7, P&S
> images are more than good enough for that.
> 
> However, current P&S cameras are astonishingly good. So are some
> smartphones. Computer-aided lens design has made even cheap lenses much
> better than we used to get even for good film cameras in the good old
> days. (I recall noticing that my father's Rollei twin-lens, best in
> class at the time, had a slight fall-off in sharpness in the corners,
> visible in the darkroom, and on large full-frame prints.) Current P&S by
> the major makers are as good as and often better than the early DSLRs.
> 10MP is pretty well the minimum these days. 720p video is universal,
> 1080p common, and 4K video is now available on some. Wi-fi, DirectPrint,
> email, in-camera photo-editing are becoming standard.
> 
> DSLRs now have to have full-frame sensors, mirrorless shutters, high
> speed video, 64 point exposure calculations, 32,000 ISO, 40x optical
> zoom, and so forth. Exotic. And expensive: a 4x6 DSLR body is the price
> of a small car. The lenses would buy a good used car. I drool at the
> thought of owning one, but I would have to change my life style to use
> it to its capacity. ;-)
> 
> H'm.

My phone does not have a camera, but I have an iPod Touch with a decent
camera for basic photos and videos. It is useless for things like taking
images at a distance. I often walk a path where there is an eagle who
frequents a tree some distance away. On my camera the pictures of it show it
as a small dot... and if you zoom in it is of course a blur. Was on the path
a couple weeks ago where someone had a real camera, don't ask me what type,
but he was able to zoom in and get an amazing shot he agreed to email me. Of
course there is NO comparison... his is as if he was standing right next to
it. Would share the images but he did not give me permission to share his
image.

-- 
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use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-23 18:47 +0100
  Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 13:56 -0400
    Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-23 20:01 +0100
      Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 15:05 -0400
        Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-23 20:11 +0100
          Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 15:16 -0400
            Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-23 21:21 +0100
              Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 16:34 -0400
  Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-04-23 11:22 -0700
    Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-23 19:56 +0100
      Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 15:05 -0400
        Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-23 20:09 +0100
          Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 15:16 -0400
            Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-23 21:23 +0100
              Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 16:34 -0400
      Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 12:20 -0700
        Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-23 21:20 +0100
          Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 16:34 -0400
          Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 14:34 -0700
            Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 00:48 +0100
              Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 16:54 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 19:58 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 01:04 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 17:05 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 01:08 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 17:12 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 20:17 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 15:47 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 20:17 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 17:30 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 17:09 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 01:11 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 20:17 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 17:31 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 20:53 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 18:43 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-04-23 22:01 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 19:03 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-24 09:58 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-24 09:29 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 17:19 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 15:46 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-24 11:05 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 16:18 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-24 09:31 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2017-04-24 10:10 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 16:19 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-24 09:31 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 00:59 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-23 17:11 -0700
              Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-04-23 17:03 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-24 01:07 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-04-23 17:26 -0700

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