Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution)

From	Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.system, alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.cellular-phone-tech
Subject	Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution)
Date	2017-05-05 15:37 -0700
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On 5/5/17, 2:17 PM, in article uZ5PA.1037$3S4.296@fx17.iad, "Wolf K"
<wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:

...
>> apparently not very many.
>> 
>> why don't you list exactly which apps they were?
> 
> Oh, so you expect me to have kept a record? It was over 10 years ago, as
> you should have inferred form various references and details in my
> narrative.
> 
> FTR, I tried around two dozen graphics programs whose descriptions
> sounded like they were close to what I wanted. "Close" varied, but I did
> use a couple of them while I had the G4. Not one of them was as simple
> and powerful as PmView.

Can you show a quick video of some of the things you do in PmView which you
think it handles particularly well?

... 
> There was no desire to confirm anything whatsoever. I wanted to have a
> machine I could use. I liked the specs of the G4, and I fully expected
> to be able to adapt it to my preferences and quirks as much as I wanted.
> I expected it it to be my main machine until it wore out, or until Apple
> offered better price/quality, whichever came first.
> 
> I wanted to find software that I could use. I used that G4 for three
> years, owned it for four. It took me quite a while to realise that I
> couldn't get what I wanted. In my more cynical moments since then I've
> inferred that the reason was Apple's unwillingness to allow 3rd party
> software that was a) cheaper; and b) better than their own.

What do you mean their unwillingness to allow 3rd party software?

>> the reality is that there were all sorts of image editing apps on a
>> mac, with plenty more now, ones that are far better than what was
>> available on windows and certainly linux, which is why graphic artists
>> overwhelmingly chose macs.
> 
> Maybe so, but not for the rather simple goals I wanted to achieve.

Can you be more specific with those goals? Maybe even show a video of the
workflow you use to get those goals done?

>>>>> Nothing like it in the Mac world. I
>>>>> tried the bundled photo-app, gaah! Pathetic.
>>>> 
>>>> in another post, you said most people only need to make minor tweaks to
>>>> photos. the bundled photos app, then called iphoto, was mostly that.
>>> 
>>> It's no better than PmView (or as XnView and Irfanview do now).
>> 
>> iphoto is not intended to do what pmview does.
> 
> That was not the impression I got from its description. I expected it to
> be a basic photo-app: view and tweak. If it did more than that, OK, but
> not relevant.

It is a photo organizer and offers simple editing, but you also listed
working with the standard file system. I have no issue with you wanting that
as a feature, but it is something that is not the way iPhoto (or Photos) is
generally used.

>> no wonder you had problems.
>> 
>>> From my
>>> POV iPhoto had other flaws, mainly that it was also a photo-file
>>> manager, and I didn't find a way to force it to use my folder-tree.
>> 
>> that's not a flaw. that's one of its major *features*.
> 
> Yes, and one it insisted on performing whether I wanted it done or not.
> See, what really threw me, and sent me on a quest for alternatives, is
> that I prefer to organise my data in my own folder trees. I don't care
> to have a program do that for me.

There are pros and cons to both. But if that is what you want then, sure,
other programs might serve you better. Might also make sense to spend some
time to find why iPhoto / Photos does what it does... it is not arbitrary.

>> keeping photos in a folder-tree is incredibly limiting and does not
>> scale. it's a very bad way to manage photos and other assets.
> 
> For you, not for me.

It does not give you the benefits that you get from the file browser, though
I admit I rarely use that. I open Photos and just drag and drop... so that
negates the benefit I have mentioned in the past. Using the media browser is
good for people with one screen, though.
 


... 
>> thereby making a *lot* more work for yourself.
> 
> Nope.
> 
>> had you put half that effort into searching for available photo editors
>> on a mac, you'd have found something that did what you wanted in a way
>> you wanted, and if you learned about asset managers, you'd find out why
>> they're *very* useful (and it's not just an apple thing either).
> 
> How many times do I have to repeat that I Did. Not. Find. What. I. Wanted.

You two are talking past each other.

Yes, you did not find what you want.

Yes, there likely was Mac software that would have met your needs (though
from what I have seen your description there has been vague, so maybe not).

But so what? You found a solution you DID like. I cannot understand why that
would be offensive to anyone. It is not like you are saying you found a
non-Mac solution so anyone who uses a Mac is a moron or any such nonsense. I
do not get his point at all.
 
...
> As recently as three months ago I seriously considered buying a Mac just
> so I could run Metasynth (I'm on their mailing list, you should be able
> to figure out why). Imagine! $2000 to $3000 CAD total, just so I could
> play with a music-making program! If it were available on Windows, I
> wouldn't hesitate, but the extra dosh for a Mac is hard to justify just
> for fun.

No argument here.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-05-04 12:32 +0100
  Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 10:43 -0700
    Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-05-04 19:13 +0100
      Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 11:38 -0700
        Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-05-04 20:07 +0100
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                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 18:48 -0700
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                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 18:51 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-04 21:55 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 18:57 -0700
              Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 14:24 -0700
          Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-04 15:21 -0400
            Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 12:35 -0700
      Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-04 14:48 -0400
        Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 12:10 -0700
          Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-04 15:21 -0400
            Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 12:33 -0700
              Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-04 15:49 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 14:16 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-04 17:47 -0400
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