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Re: Assembly Hi-Res Graphics, question about color patterns that seem to violate the "rules"

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Date 2017-06-22 18:05 -0700
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Subject Re: Assembly Hi-Res Graphics, question about color patterns that seem to violate the "rules"
From Mark Lemmert <mark.lemmert@gmail.com>

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On Thursday, June 22, 2017 at 7:19:57 PM UTC-5, anthon...@gmail.com wrote: 
> I am finally learning the quirks of Apple II hi-res graphics due to this thread. I wonder if it was really >worth having this crazy graphics scheme with all its quirks and limitations and headache to developers >just to save a few bucks in chips given the huge profit margin on the Apple ][. Hindsight is indeed 20/20, >but I wonder if Woz would do things a bit differently if he had known how high the markup was going to >be. For example, if I knew that I would be making, say, $500 profit on a $1000 computer of my own >design, I would gladly give up $50 or $100 of that profit in order to ensure that my graphics mode was >the best there was and easy to program compared to any of my competitors (Commodore, Atari, IBM, >Tandy, etc...). After all, a better graphics mode that's easier to program means more developers for the >system (ease of use), faster development times, more programs, more sales, and ultimately more money >in my pocket. Perhaps I'm simplifying things but I've always been curious about whether the trade-off >was really worth it and how things would have turned out if they had not skimped on the graphics.


I recall this being a very interesting thread. When I made the OP, I could not have imagined it would get as comprehensive as it did with so many knowledgeable people contributing. I’m glad you found it helpful.

As to Woz’s decisions about chips and the implications on the graphics scheme. My speculation is that he may have been forced to choose between bad outcomes. Clearly he was under budget constraints and if he spent more on the chips to make graphics easier, something else may have been modified with even more frustrating implications.

As you noted, there is a business question of was making an extra $X in profit was worth the implications (i.e should the budget have been increased), but I wouldn’t be surprised if that was largely outside of his control. 



Mark

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Assembly Hi-Res Graphics, question about color patterns that seem to violate the "rules" Mark Lemmert <mark.lemmert@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 11:40 -0800
  Re: Assembly Hi-Res Graphics, question about color patterns that seem to violate the "rules" gids.rs@sasktel.net - 2016-02-15 12:33 -0800
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      Re: Assembly Hi-Res Graphics, question about color patterns that seem to violate the "rules" Mark Lemmert <mark.lemmert@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 14:11 -0800
        Re: Assembly Hi-Res Graphics, question about color patterns that seem to violate the "rules" dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-02-16 14:22 +1300
          Re: Assembly Hi-Res Graphics, question about color patterns that seem to violate the "rules" Mark Lemmert <mark.lemmert@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 18:33 -0800
    Re: Assembly Hi-Res Graphics, question about color patterns that seem to violate the "rules" Mark Lemmert <mark.lemmert@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 14:08 -0800
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          Re: Assembly Hi-Res Graphics, question about color patterns that seem to violate the "rules" David Schmidt <schmidtd@my-deja.com> - 2016-02-15 23:25 -0500
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        Re: Assembly Hi-Res Graphics, question about color patterns that seem to violate the "rules" Mark Lemmert <mark.lemmert@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 11:28 -0800
        Re: Assembly Hi-Res Graphics, question about color patterns that seem to violate the "rules" denisbytezone@gmail.com - 2016-02-18 14:53 -0800
          Re: Assembly Hi-Res Graphics, question about color patterns that seem to violate the "rules" Mark Lemmert <mark.lemmert@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 15:28 -0800
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