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| Date | 2016-02-20 18:29 -0800 |
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| Subject | Re: Assembly Hi-Res Graphics, question about color patterns that seem to violate the "rules" |
| From | Mark Lemmert <mark.lemmert@gmail.com> |
>Thanks for the information, I didn't realise it was going to be this weird.
Welcome to the twilight zone of Apple II hi-res graphics :-)
The good news is, while it does take a little getting used to, it's not that bad once you do.
>Are there any more of these quirks that I should know about?
Another one is regarding adjacent vertical color lines. For example:
--------------------------
C0 C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6 C7
L0 b
L1 b
L2 b
L3 b
L4 b
L5 b
L6 b
(b = the pixels of a blue line, L = line, C = column or bit)
(extract of single hi-res screen, upper left corner)
Note that some of the earlier posts used a diagram which used the terminology color pixel. In the above example C0 & C2 would be color pixel #0, using that terminology.
the binary for line 1 and two would be:
10000001
10000100
As noted in prior posts, C7 and and the 1st column/bit in the next byte would together form a color pixel.
The above example has two adjacent vertical color lines. By this I mean there are two color vertical color lines that are as close together as two lines of the same color can be drawn, with only one empty column between them (column 0 and column 2 in this case, with column 1 being the empty column)
This type of bit pattern varies greatly in how it is rendered on in various emulators and displays. Here is a summary of what I've observed and compiled on this topic:
1) Virtual II Emulator (mac OS X) displays blue, and probably other colors, double wide, which makes the lines appear flush with no empty column between them.
2) AppleWIN 1.25.03 displays blue only in even columns as expected from the "rules" in the graphics books.
3) My physical Apple IIe's display (a modern flatscreen TV), connects blue lines with a smudged, slightly dimmer diagonal line. Sometimes.
I haven't fully quantified this yet, but I'm pretty sure it's location dependent. There are some posts earlier in this thread about what's going on at the hardware/frequency level.
4) I've heard reports that CRT TVs connected to physical Apple IIs display an empty column between the vertical blue lines but it's not as noticeable as it is on AppleWIN due to a little haze around the pixels. Lots of earlier posts about the hardware/frequency reasons for this.
Blue is used as an example but I'm pretty sure it applies to adjacent vertical lines of any color (I haven't tested them all, but have found no exceptions so far).
Conclusion:
The way I manage this quirkiness with the visual difference in vertical color lines on different emulators and displays, is to program to the lowest common denominator.
IMO the least visually appealing rendering above the above displays is AppleWIN (no offense intended to it's creators, I think it's a great program overall, very accessible to many users). So, when I test my graphics the first thing I do is make sure they look acceptable in AppleWIN. Periodically I test in other emulators and on my physical IIe, but generally I've found if it looks acceptable in AppleWIN it will look acceptable or better in the other environments mentioned above.
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