Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!news.albasani.net!rt.uk.eu.org!border4.nntp.ams.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!border3.nntp.ams.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.bt.com!news.bt.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 22:07:03 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 04:07:04 +0100 From: Andrew Swallow User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.security.pgp.tech,comp.security.pgp.discuss,sci.crypt Subject: Re: NSA cryptanalyst: "We, too, are Americans" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 58 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-AuthenticatedUsername: NoAuthUser X-Trace: sv3-PfDGfQsLFWSBDPO8/7NWf6qM9nzvGWMac1qnMypvPD+1UublATRWGgOHtmP7fB8uDxauM/1x7Akah86!XhmkUnRxjKw6E+1gvMBhfK9CxDkiI2SUUSEUKu7nC8tFwID3lchldvG8Hv9G0Sn0rZDZlo0NPIqN X-Complaints-To: abuse@btinternet.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@btinternet.com X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 3604 Xref: csiph.com comp.security.pgp.tech:35 comp.security.pgp.discuss:203 On 17/09/2013 03:46, unruh wrote: > On 2013-09-16, Ramon F Herrera wrote: >> >> NSA cryptanalyst: We, too, are Americans > > So was Charles Manson an American. Being an American does not > automatically mean that you are good, moral, etc. See Abu Ghraib. > One can easilly conform to the attitudes of those around you > (especailly if it is a highly secret organization where you cannot > renormalise your stance with respect to other, more open, people) > > > > >> >> Summary: ZDNet Exclusive: An NSA mathematician shares his >> from-the-trenches view of the agency's surveillance activities. >> >> "An NSA mathematician, seeking to help shape the ongoing debate about >> the agency's foreign surveillance activities, has contributed this >> column to ZDNet Government. The author, Roger Barkan, also appeared in >> last year's National Geographic Channel special about the National >> Security Agency. >> >> "The rest of this article contains Roger's words only, edited simply for >> formatting. >> >> "Many voices -- from those in the White House to others at my local >> coffee shop -- have weighed in on NSA's surveillance programs, which >> have recently been disclosed by the media. >> >> "As someone deep in the trenches of NSA, where I work on a daily basis >> with data acquired from these programs, I, too, feel compelled to raise >> my voice. Do I, as an American, have any concerns about whether the NSA >> is illegally or surreptitiously [...]" >> >> http://www.zdnet.com/nsa-cryptanalyst-we-too-are-americans-7000020689/?s_cid=e539&ttag=e539 >> > > It is clear, from what Snowdon had acess to, " Analysts ARE free to > wander through all of NSA's collected data willy-nilly, snooping into > any communication they please." > Look again. Snowden did not have access to personnel data. He is only leaking the management documents. > And he then tries to make fun of the critics by implying that they are > concerned that NSA wants to read "recipies your mother mails you". The > concern is that they ARE interested in the political thoughts and plans > of Americans. Or the economic secrets of companies, etc. > > And the lies that the NSA has had to retract give one zero confidence in > the "strict oversight" the analyst claims. > Sheesh. > >> -Ramon