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Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?

Started byAnssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi>
First post2025-10-07 16:07 +0300
Last post2025-10-12 12:10 +0100
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  Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-10-07 16:07 +0300
    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-07 14:39 +0100
    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-07 22:52 +0000
    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-08 01:35 -0400
      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-08 10:53 +0200
        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-08 21:06 +0000
          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-09 21:25 +0200
            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-09 21:45 +0000
              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:41 -0400
                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:21 +0200
                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-10 13:21 +0000
                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 21:15 +0200
                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-10 21:53 +0000
                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:46 -0400
                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:38 -0400
        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:09 -0400
          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-09 18:52 +0000
            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:33 -0400
              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-11 15:10 +0000
                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-11 17:48 +0000
                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-11 19:01 +0000
                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:08 +0000
                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:32 +0000
                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:29 -0400
                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-12 11:07 +0000
                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-13 09:06 -0700
                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-18 16:24 +0000
                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-18 21:02 +0000
                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-19 01:36 +0000
                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-19 13:39 +0200
                              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-20 02:10 +0000
                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 05:36 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 02:33 -0400
                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 02:31 -0400
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 19:21 +0000
                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-19 12:17 +0000
                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 02:22 +0000
                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:28 -0400
                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:19 +0100
                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 09:20 -0700
                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-25 12:49 +0000
                              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-25 16:45 +0100
                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-25 22:16 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 01:51 +0000
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-26 04:40 +0000
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 08:42 +0000
                                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 09:11 +0000
                                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 10:06 +0000
                                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 19:25 +0000
                                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 19:48 +0100
                                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 21:29 +0000
                                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-27 00:44 +0100
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 00:57 -0400
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 07:14 +0000
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 11:05 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 02:00 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 11:02 +0000
                              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-25 22:03 +0000
                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-25 21:19 -0400
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 01:50 +0000
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-26 04:40 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 14:52 +0100
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 19:06 +0000
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 20:29 +0100
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 21:22 +0000
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 22:17 -0400
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-27 10:09 +0100
                                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:23 +0000
                                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-28 00:47 +0100
                                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 00:27 +0000
                                              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 07:45 +0000
                                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 23:05 +0000
                                              Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:46 +0100
                                                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 18:47 +0000
                                                  Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 20:21 +0000
                                                    Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-28 23:46 +0100
                                                    Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-29 01:41 +0000
                                                      Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:07 +0000
                                                      Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-29 18:47 +0000
                                                        Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 22:15 +0000
                                                        Re: Accents. Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2025-10-30 17:29 +0000
                                                          Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 17:31 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-30 19:31 +0000
                                                              Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:14 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:11 +0000
                                                          Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:10 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:35 +0100
                                                              Re: Accents. candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-10-30 21:40 +0000
                                                              Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-30 15:18 -0700
                                                                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:17 +0000
                                                                  Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-30 21:46 -0700
                                                                    Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:25 +0000
                                                                      LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:38 +0100
                                                                        Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-01 20:50 -0400
                                                                          Re: LED lights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 11:14 +0000
                                                                          Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 15:41 +0100
                                                                          Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:57 +0000
                                                                            Re: LED lights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-03 00:12 +0000
                                                                              Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 02:38 +0100
                                                                                Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 00:19 -0500
                                                                                  Re: LED lights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-03 07:03 +0000
                                                                                    Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 14:20 -0500
                                                                                      Re: LED lights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 20:02 +0000
                                                                                        Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-04 04:42 +0000
                                                                                          Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 02:31 -0500
                                                                                Re: LED lights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 10:16 +0000
                                                                        Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 01:51 +0000
                                                                          Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 15:48 +0100
                                                                            Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:42 +0000
                                                                              Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 21:33 +0100
                                                              Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-30 22:21 +0000
                                                              Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 04:59 +0000
                                                                Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-31 14:41 +0100
                                                                  Re: Accents. John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 08:56 -0700
                                                                  Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:53 +0000
                                                                    Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-31 19:02 -0700
                                                                      Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 02:52 +0000
                                                                        Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-01 05:32 +0000
                                                                          Re: Accents. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-19 19:19 +0000
                                                                            TV tropes (was: Re: Accents.) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-20 11:01 +0000
                                                                              Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-20 13:10 +0100
                                                                                Re: TV tropes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-20 17:57 +0000
                                                                                  Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-20 21:28 +0100
                                                                                  Re: TV tropes Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 02:10 +0000
                                                                                    Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 13:14 +0100
                                                                              Re: TV tropes Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 02:09 +0000
                                                                                Re: TV tropes rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-21 07:41 +0000
                                                                                  Re: TV tropes Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-21 09:00 +0000
                                                                                  Re: TV tropes The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 09:13 +0000
                                                                                    Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 13:17 +0100
                                                                                    Re: TV tropes rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-21 19:28 +0000
                                                                                      Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 20:43 +0100
                                                                                        Re: TV tropes The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 23:00 +0000
                                                                                        Re: TV tropes rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-22 04:06 +0000
                                                                        Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:24 +0100
                                                                          Re: Not Blade Runner Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 19:57 +0000
                                                                    Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:22 +0100
                                                                      Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 01:22 +0000
                                                                        Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 15:50 +0100
                                                                          Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:20 +0000
                                                                            Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 21:34 +0100
                                                                              Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 02:47 +0000
                                                                                Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 13:05 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 20:04 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Blade runner c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 15:40 -0500
                                                                                      Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 22:30 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 17:48 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Flashlights Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-11-03 20:26 -0800
                                                                                            Re: Flashlights Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-11-04 04:55 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 02:35 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-11-05 03:44 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 01:05 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-05 13:20 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:08 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-05 16:33 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-05 20:37 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:26 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 11:56 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-06 18:42 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 17:30 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: Flashlights candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-11-07 16:20 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-07 18:11 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-07 18:50 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-07 22:42 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-07 21:08 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:31 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-08 16:05 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-08 20:06 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 00:04 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:08 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:41 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 12:07 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@personalprojects.net> - 2025-11-09 19:05 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:58 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:12 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-06 05:09 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 01:31 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-06 18:39 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-04 07:51 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 02:19 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-04 09:55 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 18:16 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 20:39 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 22:54 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-21 23:52 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-21 23:32 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-22 06:49 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-22 03:14 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-22 11:32 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Flashlights Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-22 22:00 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-23 02:35 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-23 09:40 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Flashlights Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-23 20:15 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-23 22:10 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-23 01:42 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-23 22:09 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: Flashlights Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-24 02:17 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-23 22:19 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-23 21:58 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-24 20:28 +0100
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                                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-24 22:48 -0500
                                                                                                                    Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-25 07:59 +0100
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                                                                                                                            Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-25 18:58 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Chemical photography Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-25 19:12 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-25 20:32 +0100
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                                                                                                                                      City fauna "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-26 11:18 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: City fauna rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-26 20:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: City fauna "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-27 12:39 +0100
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                                                                                                                                              Re: City fauna rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-27 19:58 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-26 20:15 +0000
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                                                                                                                                          Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-27 18:55 +0000
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                                                                                                                                Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-26 21:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Chemical photography Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-26 13:29 -0800
                                                                                                                                    Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-27 01:57 +0000
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                                                                                                                                                          Punt guns. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:03 +0100
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                                                                                                                                                              Re: Punt guns. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:43 +0100
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                                                                                                                                                      Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 22:10 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Punt guns "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:06 +0100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Punt guns Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-29 08:58 -0800
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Punt guns c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:34 -0500
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Punt guns c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-30 01:05 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 19:19 +0000
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                                                                                                                                              Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 08:58 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-28 20:14 +0100
                                                                                                                                              Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 19:20 +0000
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                                                                                                                                                  Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 01:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 23:39 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Bears "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:07 +0100
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Bears c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-30 00:51 -0500
                                                                                                                                              Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 20:09 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 23:12 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Repopulating bears, wolves... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-29 14:10 +0100
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-29 08:53 -0800
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 18:59 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:49 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 22:19 -0500
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-30 03:57 +0000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-29 23:01 -0500
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-30 10:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Repopulating bears, wolves... rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 18:40 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-29 18:32 +0000
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                                                                                                                                  Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-26 22:40 -0500
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                                                                                                                                      Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-27 19:07 +0000
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                                                                                                                                        Re: Chemical photography "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-27 20:23 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: Chemical photography The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-28 05:13 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 00:17 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                Re: Chemical photography c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-28 00:29 -0500
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                                                                                                                                                    Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 09:19 +0000
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                                                                                                                                          Re: Chemical photography rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-28 06:15 +0000
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                                                                                              Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-04 11:28 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-04 11:15 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 13:27 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-04 19:37 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 21:12 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 13:22 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-04 20:52 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 21:23 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-05 13:23 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:10 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 12:05 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 17:21 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-05 07:21 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 03:54 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 18:20 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-04 09:52 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-05 07:21 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 03:17 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-05 11:54 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-05 16:41 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:16 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-05 22:22 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:41 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 12:10 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 17:24 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-07 02:44 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 21:53 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-04 11:12 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 23:14 +0100
                                                                    Re: Accents. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-19 19:01 +0000
                                                                  Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:19 +0000
                                                                    Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-01 05:33 +0000
                                                                    Blade runner. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:29 +0100
                                                                      Re: Blade runner. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 19:56 +0000
                                                                        Re: Blade runner. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-01 21:38 -0400
                                                                  Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:31 +0100
                                                                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:48 +0000
                                                                Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-31 22:45 +0000
                                                                  Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:22 +0000
                                                        Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:33 +0100
                                                          Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 22:20 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-30 23:36 +0100
                                                              Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 04:51 +0000
                                                                Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-31 14:48 +0100
                                                                  Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 15:03 +0000
                                                                    Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 20:15 +0000
                                                                      Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 11:15 +0000
                                                                        Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:39 +0000
                                                                    Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:26 +0000
                                                                      Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:44 +0100
                                                                        Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:05 +0000
                                                                          Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:54 +0000
                                                                            Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 11:15 +0000
                                                                              Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:02 +0000
                                                                        Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:10 +0000
                                                                        Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:49 +0000
                                                                          Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 11:13 +0000
                                                                            Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 18:48 +0000
                                                                              Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 10:12 +0000
                                                                                Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-03 20:04 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-04 04:28 +0000
                                                                              Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 13:11 +0100
                                                                                Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 12:26 +0000
                                                                        Re: Accents. John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 09:17 -0800
                                                                    Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:42 +0100
                                                                  Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 20:01 +0000
                                                                    Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 11:15 +0000
                                                                      Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:33 +0000
                                                                        Re: Accents. Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:43 -0700
                                                                          Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-02 19:30 +0000
                                                                            Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 02:21 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:47 +0000
                                                          Re: Accents. Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-30 22:48 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:58 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:25 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:09 +0100
                                                          Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:29 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-30 21:50 -0700
                                                              Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:28 +0000
                                                              Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:29 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:27 +0000
                                                              Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:41 +0000
                                                                Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-31 22:45 +0000
                                                                  Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-01 05:36 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:11 +0100
                                                              Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:59 +0000
                                                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 18:54 +0000
                                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-28 09:34 +0000
                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-26 13:53 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-26 15:40 +0100
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 19:11 +0000
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-02 14:03 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 22:20 -0400
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 08:29 +0000
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-02 14:11 +0000
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 14:15 +0000
                                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 02:37 +0100
                                          OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-02 18:49 -0800
                                            Re: OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 06:54 +0000
                                              Re: OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-03 08:19 -0800
                                            Re: OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 10:18 +0000
                              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 09:34 -0700
                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-27 21:26 +0000
                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 03:36 -0400
                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:31 +0000
                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 01:33 +0000
                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-11 22:52 +0200
                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 22:48 +0000
                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-12 02:43 +0200
                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:12 +0100
                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:02 -0400
                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 06:39 +0000
                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-12 02:59 -0400
                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 19:20 +0000
                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-10-13 16:50 +0000
                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 18:38 +0100
                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:38 -0400
                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:45 -0400
                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:17 +0100
                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-13 03:28 +0000
                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-13 03:41 -0400
                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 10:20 +0100
                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-13 11:55 +0200
                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-13 21:56 +0000
                              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 00:35 +0000
                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:21 -0400
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 06:56 +0000
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-14 17:20 +0000
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 20:01 -0400
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-15 05:36 +0000
                                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-15 03:33 -0400
                                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:18 +0000
                                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:24 -0400
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 06:31 +0000
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-15 09:00 -0700
                                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:24 +0000
                                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-15 15:11 -0700
                                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:27 -0400
                                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:22 +0000
                                              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-17 22:24 -0400
                                                Lazarus [Was: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-18 20:08 +0200
                                                  Re: Lazarus [Was: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:15 -0400
                                                    Re: Lazarus [Was: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-19 13:46 +0200
                                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 04:36 +0000
                                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-16 10:29 -0700
                                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:49 -0400
                                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-16 15:43 -0700
                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-10-14 21:30 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 22:11 +0000
                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:10 +0100

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#76229

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-10-16 02:27 -0400
Message-ID<sE2dnQHUGeDKDW31nZ2dnZfqnPoAAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#76207
On 10/15/25 17:24, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2025 09:00:25 -0700, John Ames wrote:
> 
>> VB's biggest strength was that it combined a well-known, accessible
>> language with an extremely straightforward UI builder, and did it some-
>> thing close to "the right way round," presenting methods as browseable
>> and editable components of the UI objects they applied to rather than
>> making you dig through an object definition in a source file in search
>> of the appropriate callback function.* Especially back in the Bad Old
>> Days of Win16 programming, it was far and away the simplest way to go
>> from zero to functioning GUI application..
> 
> WinForms grew out of VB and has survived despite Microsoft's repeated
> attempts to kill it.
> 
> QtDesigner isn't too bad for a drag and drop visual editor.

   I'll assert that Lazarus/FP is by far the best
   drag-n-drop solution. Super-quick to design
   GUIs and then add your own IQ to them.

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#76244

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-10-16 07:22 +0000
Message-ID<mlbkqgFgmi0U7@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#76229
On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 02:27:34 -0400, c186282 wrote:

>    I'll assert that Lazarus/FP is by far the best drag-n-drop solution.
>    Super-quick to design GUIs and then add your own IQ to them.

I'll assert I played with Pascal when TurboPascal came out for CP/M. Not 
bad for $49.99 but that was a few days ago.

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#76291

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-10-17 22:24 -0400
Message-ID<2smdnYErA9D6Z2_1nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#76244
On 10/16/25 03:22, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 02:27:34 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>>     I'll assert that Lazarus/FP is by far the best drag-n-drop solution.
>>     Super-quick to design GUIs and then add your own IQ to them.
> 
> I'll assert I played with Pascal when TurboPascal came out for CP/M. Not
> bad for $49.99 but that was a few days ago.

   Still use Pascal for all kinds of things. Something
   about the look & feel appeals to me. Started with
   the ancient M$/IBM multipass compiler (still have
   one in a VM somewhere).

   However for right-now basic GUIs (albeit with a
   90s look) Lazarus is your best bet once you learn
   how to place and access your own functions in
   the auto-generated code. Need something by 5pm
   then you go Lazarus.

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#76320 — Lazarus [Was: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?]

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-10-18 20:08 +0200
SubjectLazarus [Was: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?]
Message-ID<rl1dslx3pk.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#76291
On 2025-10-18 04:24, c186282 wrote:
> On 10/16/25 03:22, rbowman wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 02:27:34 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>
>>>     I'll assert that Lazarus/FP is by far the best drag-n-drop solution.
>>>     Super-quick to design GUIs and then add your own IQ to them.
>>
>> I'll assert I played with Pascal when TurboPascal came out for CP/M. Not
>> bad for $49.99 but that was a few days ago.
> 
>    Still use Pascal for all kinds of things. Something
>    about the look & feel appeals to me. Started with
>    the ancient M$/IBM multipass compiler (still have
>    one in a VM somewhere).
> 
>    However for right-now basic GUIs (albeit with a
>    90s look) Lazarus is your best bet once you learn
>    how to place and access your own functions in
>    the auto-generated code. Need something by 5pm
>    then you go Lazarus.
> 

I also like Lazarus.

Although the amount of libraries to do the same thing is confusing, re 
which is the proper one. I forget how many types of strings: the classic 
255 string, the 0 terminated string, Windows style, and then utf 
strings. Maybe more I forget.


And there is a Linux version. Back to topic ;-)

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#76351 — Re: Lazarus [Was: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?]

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-10-19 04:15 -0400
SubjectRe: Lazarus [Was: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?]
Message-ID<kY-cnTr8wb6xA2n1nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#76320
On 10/18/25 14:08, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-10-18 04:24, c186282 wrote:
>> On 10/16/25 03:22, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 02:27:34 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>
>>>>     I'll assert that Lazarus/FP is by far the best drag-n-drop 
>>>> solution.
>>>>     Super-quick to design GUIs and then add your own IQ to them.
>>>
>>> I'll assert I played with Pascal when TurboPascal came out for CP/M. Not
>>> bad for $49.99 but that was a few days ago.
>>
>>    Still use Pascal for all kinds of things. Something
>>    about the look & feel appeals to me. Started with
>>    the ancient M$/IBM multipass compiler (still have
>>    one in a VM somewhere).
>>
>>    However for right-now basic GUIs (albeit with a
>>    90s look) Lazarus is your best bet once you learn
>>    how to place and access your own functions in
>>    the auto-generated code. Need something by 5pm
>>    then you go Lazarus.
>>
> 
> I also like Lazarus.
> 
> Although the amount of libraries to do the same thing is confusing, re 
> which is the proper one. I forget how many types of strings: the classic 
> 255 string, the 0 terminated string, Windows style, and then utf 
> strings. Maybe more I forget.
> 
> 
> And there is a Linux version. Back to topic ;-)

   The main gotcha between Linux and Win tends to
   be the FONTS  :-)

   I wrote a few programs that could run Lin or Win
   using Lazarus. Delphi is, alas, only Win (and
   expensive as all hell these days).

   Pascal/object-Pascal is almost infinitely
   capable, pretty well documented and compiler
   fast.

   My last five years before retirement I tended
   to write apps first in Python, then, a week or
   two later, in FPC or Lazarus tighter-better.

   Pascal is a Very Good Language for applications.
   It tends to get forgotten amongst the latest/
   greatest "new solutions" - but DON'T forget it.
   It's still Right There, Up To The Job, and
   more readable than 'C' or 'Rust'.

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#76373 — Re: Lazarus [Was: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?]

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-10-19 13:46 +0200
SubjectRe: Lazarus [Was: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?]
Message-ID<fmveslxer6.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#76351
On 2025-10-19 10:15, c186282 wrote:
> On 10/18/25 14:08, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-10-18 04:24, c186282 wrote:
>>> On 10/16/25 03:22, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 02:27:34 -0400, c186282 wrote:

...

>> I also like Lazarus.
>>
>> Although the amount of libraries to do the same thing is confusing, re 
>> which is the proper one. I forget how many types of strings: the 
>> classic 255 string, the 0 terminated string, Windows style, and then 
>> utf strings. Maybe more I forget.
>>
>>
>> And there is a Linux version. Back to topic ;-)
> 
>    The main gotcha between Linux and Win tends to
>    be the FONTS  :-)

Oh. I have not played with them.

>    I wrote a few programs that could run Lin or Win
>    using Lazarus. Delphi is, alas, only Win (and
>    expensive as all hell these days).

over $1500, says google. WOW.

>    Pascal/object-Pascal is almost infinitely
>    capable, pretty well documented and compiler
>    fast.
> 
>    My last five years before retirement I tended
>    to write apps first in Python, then, a week or
>    two later, in FPC or Lazarus tighter-better.
> 
>    Pascal is a Very Good Language for applications.
>    It tends to get forgotten amongst the latest/
>    greatest "new solutions" - but DON'T forget it.
>    It's still Right There, Up To The Job, and
>    more readable than 'C' or 'Rust'.

I thought rust, being newer, would be nicer. Easier to write.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#76217

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-10-16 04:36 +0000
Message-ID<10cpsno$5cmo$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#76200
On Wed, 15 Oct 2025 09:00:25 -0700, John Ames wrote:

> VB's biggest strength was that it combined a well-known, accessible
> language with an extremely straightforward UI builder, and did it some-
> thing close to "the right way round," presenting methods as browseable
> and editable components of the UI objects they applied to rather than
> making you dig through an object definition in a source file in search
> of the appropriate callback function.

HyperCard was doing that about four years earlier.

And don’t forget great-granddaddy Smalltalk, which goes right back to the 
1970s, and was more advanced than either of them.

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#76261

FromJohn Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Date2025-10-16 10:29 -0700
Message-ID<20251016102945.00002753@gmail.com>
In reply to#76217
On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 04:36:09 -0000 (UTC)
Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> HyperCard was doing that about four years earlier.
> 
> And don’t forget great-granddaddy Smalltalk, which goes right back to
> the 1970s, and was more advanced than either of them.

Very true, although HyperCard stopped just shy of allowing full first-
class application development IIRC (not by enough to keep people from
shipping stuff built with it, though.) But it definitely filled the
same niche in the Mac world, allowing novice developers with an idea to
go from zero to working model in a quick, straightforward manner.

Smalltalk was so far ahead of its time it wasn't even funny; sadly, the
difficulty of separating *applications* out from the system as a whole
made it difficult if not impossible to *ship* software 'til years down
the line, by which point its early lead had been mostly lost. A damn
shame - even now its fundamental design is beautiful.

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#76224

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-10-16 01:49 -0400
Message-ID<sE2dnQXUGeDuGm31nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#76200
On 10/15/25 12:00, John Ames wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 20:01:12 -0400
> c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> 
>> Did lots of BASIC programs, but was kind of out of that before it
>> ever became "visual". Turbo Pascal ... and BASIC went into the bottom
>> drawer.
>>
>> However IF you keep it strict and straight you can do very complex
>> stuff with BASIC and it works as well as lots of other languages.
> 
> VB's biggest strength was that it combined a well-known, accessible
> language with an extremely straightforward UI builder, and did it some-
> thing close to "the right way round," presenting methods as browseable
> and editable components of the UI objects they applied to rather than
> making you dig through an object definition in a source file in search
> of the appropriate callback function.* Especially back in the Bad Old
> Days of Win16 programming, it was far and away the simplest way to go
> from zero to functioning GUI application...

   Just never used VB ... more straight MS/IBM BASIC
   and the BASCOM compiler (once the bosses were
   convinced to pay for it). Recently found a printout
   of a 1000 line BASIC program meant to collect data
   from a digitizer tablet, scale and rotate and such,
   and derive various stats from the polygons. Mostly
   used for aerial photos.

   Re-did in in Turbo Pascal not long after ... better
   and more capable ... but the BASIC version was still
   totally functional.

> * (Of course it was defined the usual way in the raw source text, but
>    the IDE handled things so that you didn't need to bother thinking
>    about it...mostly.)
> 
> ...but, unfortunately, the language spec was a little bit of a mess
> from the get-go, and only got worse the more stuff they bolted onto it,
> plus the runtime was more than a bit buggy :/ Shame, as I still haven't
> seen anything in the modern day that offers a comparably simple way to
> build GUI programs.

   Well, today, try Lazarus/FP. If I need something
   with a versatile GUI like right now - that's the
   way to go. Yea, pretty "object", but it works and
   you can hook in custom functions really easy.



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#76268

FromJohn Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Date2025-10-16 15:43 -0700
Message-ID<20251016154310.00000753@gmail.com>
In reply to#76224
On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 01:49:38 -0400
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

> Well, today, try Lazarus/FP. If I need something with a versatile GUI
> like right now - that's the way to go. Yea, pretty "object", but it
> works and you can hook in custom functions really easy.

That's definitely one of the cleaner designs out there, and shows an
admirable eye towards portability. Now if only it wasn't Pascal :/

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#76133

Fromcandycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
Date2025-10-14 21:30 +0000
Message-ID<slrn10etfl5.1jd92.candycanearter07@candydeb.host.invalid>
In reply to#76092
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 00:35 this Tuesday (GMT):
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 21:56:33 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 10:20:48 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> 
>>> Ive seen accounting programs written in BASIC too.
>> 
>> PHP is like the new BASIC -- people use it because they don’t know any
>> better.
>
> The acronyms themselves tell the story. 'Beginner's All-purpose Symbolic 
> Instruction Code' and 'Personal Home Page'.


Technically, the acronym for PHP now stands for "PHP hates programmers".
-- 
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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#76137

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-10-14 22:11 +0000
Message-ID<10cmhqm$38m90$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#76133
On Tue, 14 Oct 2025 21:30:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> Technically, the acronym for PHP now stands for "PHP hates programmers".

I can relate to that. ;)

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#75994

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-10-12 12:10 +0100
Message-ID<10cg2ar$1dscj$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#75946
On 11/10/2025 16:10, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> Le 10-10-2025, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> a écrit :
>>
>>     Yea, great, half a zillion lines of HTML, PHP and
>>     fuckin' JAVASCRIPT ........
> 
> You remind me of a good example of a difficult thing to translate. In
> French, I'm calling javascript: cacascript. Because in French caca means
> shit. So any French speaker reading/hearing cacascript can understand
> it's shit designing javascript. I have no idea how it could be
> translated in English because shitscript could be understood as any
> scripting language.
> 
JavaShit™,  Stéphane, is what I call it.
-- 
There is nothing a fleet of dispatchable nuclear power plants cannot do 
that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon 
emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent 
renewable energy.

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