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| Started by | Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> |
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| First post | 2025-10-07 16:07 +0300 |
| Last post | 2025-10-12 12:10 +0100 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 339 — 21 participants |
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Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-10-07 16:07 +0300
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-07 14:39 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-07 22:52 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-08 01:35 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-08 10:53 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-08 21:06 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-09 21:25 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-09 21:45 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:41 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:21 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-10 13:21 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 21:15 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-10 21:53 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:46 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:38 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:09 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-09 18:52 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:33 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-11 15:10 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-11 17:48 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-11 19:01 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:08 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:32 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:29 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-12 11:07 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-13 09:06 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-18 16:24 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-18 21:02 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-19 01:36 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-19 13:39 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-20 02:10 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 05:36 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 02:33 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 02:31 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 19:21 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-19 12:17 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 02:22 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:28 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:19 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 09:20 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-25 12:49 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-25 16:45 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-25 22:16 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 01:51 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-26 04:40 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 08:42 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 09:11 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 10:06 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 19:25 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 19:48 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 21:29 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-27 00:44 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 00:57 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 07:14 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 11:05 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 02:00 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 11:02 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-25 22:03 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-25 21:19 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 01:50 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-26 04:40 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 14:52 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 19:06 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 20:29 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 21:22 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 22:17 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-27 10:09 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:23 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-28 00:47 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 00:27 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 07:45 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 23:05 +0000
Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:46 +0100
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 18:47 +0000
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 20:21 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-28 23:46 +0100
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-29 01:41 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:07 +0000
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-29 18:47 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 22:15 +0000
Re: Accents. Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2025-10-30 17:29 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 17:31 +0000
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-30 19:31 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:14 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:11 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:10 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:35 +0100
Re: Accents. candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-10-30 21:40 +0000
Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-30 15:18 -0700
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:17 +0000
Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-30 21:46 -0700
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:25 +0000
LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:38 +0100
Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-01 20:50 -0400
Re: LED lights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 11:14 +0000
Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 15:41 +0100
Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:57 +0000
Re: LED lights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-03 00:12 +0000
Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 02:38 +0100
Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 00:19 -0500
Re: LED lights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-03 07:03 +0000
Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 14:20 -0500
Re: LED lights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 20:02 +0000
Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-04 04:42 +0000
Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 02:31 -0500
Re: LED lights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 10:16 +0000
Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 01:51 +0000
Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 15:48 +0100
Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:42 +0000
Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 21:33 +0100
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-30 22:21 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 04:59 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-31 14:41 +0100
Re: Accents. John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 08:56 -0700
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:53 +0000
Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-31 19:02 -0700
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 02:52 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-01 05:32 +0000
Re: Accents. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-19 19:19 +0000
TV tropes (was: Re: Accents.) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-20 11:01 +0000
Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-20 13:10 +0100
Re: TV tropes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-20 17:57 +0000
Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-20 21:28 +0100
Re: TV tropes Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 02:10 +0000
Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 13:14 +0100
Re: TV tropes Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 02:09 +0000
Re: TV tropes rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-21 07:41 +0000
Re: TV tropes Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-21 09:00 +0000
Re: TV tropes The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 09:13 +0000
Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 13:17 +0100
Re: TV tropes rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-21 19:28 +0000
Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 20:43 +0100
Re: TV tropes The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 23:00 +0000
Re: TV tropes rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-22 04:06 +0000
Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:24 +0100
Re: Not Blade Runner Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 19:57 +0000
Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:22 +0100
Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 01:22 +0000
Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 15:50 +0100
Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:20 +0000
Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 21:34 +0100
Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 02:47 +0000
Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 13:05 +0100
Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 20:04 +0000
Re: Blade runner c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 15:40 -0500
Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 22:30 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 17:48 -0500
Re: Flashlights Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-11-03 20:26 -0800
Re: Flashlights Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-11-04 04:55 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 02:35 -0500
Re: Flashlights Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-11-05 03:44 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 01:05 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-05 13:20 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:08 -0500
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-05 16:33 +0000
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-05 20:37 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:26 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 11:56 +0100
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-06 18:42 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 17:30 -0500
Re: Flashlights candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-11-07 16:20 +0000
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-07 18:11 +0000
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-07 18:50 +0000
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-07 22:42 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-07 21:08 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:31 +0100
Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-08 16:05 +0000
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-08 20:06 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 00:04 -0500
Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:08 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:41 -0500
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 12:07 +0000
Re: Flashlights John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@personalprojects.net> - 2025-11-09 19:05 -0500
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:58 -0500
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:12 -0500
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-06 05:09 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 01:31 -0500
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-06 18:39 +0000
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-04 07:51 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 02:19 -0500
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-04 09:55 +0000
Re: Flashlights Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 18:16 +0000
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 20:39 +0100
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 22:54 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-21 23:52 -0500
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-21 23:32 -0500
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-22 06:49 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-22 03:14 -0500
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-22 11:32 +0000
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-04 11:28 +0100
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-04 11:15 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 13:27 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-04 19:37 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 21:12 -0500
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 13:22 -0500
Re: Flashlights Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-04 20:52 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 21:23 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-05 13:23 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:10 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 12:05 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 17:21 -0500
Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-05 07:21 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 03:54 -0500
Re: Flashlights Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 18:20 +0000
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-04 09:52 +0000
Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-05 07:21 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 03:17 -0500
Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-05 11:54 +0000
Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-05 16:41 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:16 -0500
Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-05 22:22 +0000
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:41 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 12:10 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 17:24 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-07 02:44 +0100
Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 21:53 -0500
Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-04 11:12 +0100
Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 23:14 +0100
Re: Accents. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-19 19:01 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:19 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-01 05:33 +0000
Blade runner. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:29 +0100
Re: Blade runner. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 19:56 +0000
Re: Blade runner. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-01 21:38 -0400
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:31 +0100
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:48 +0000
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-31 22:45 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:22 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:33 +0100
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 22:20 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-30 23:36 +0100
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 04:51 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-31 14:48 +0100
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 15:03 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 20:15 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 11:15 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:39 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:26 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:44 +0100
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:05 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:54 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 11:15 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:02 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:10 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:49 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 11:13 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 18:48 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 10:12 +0000
Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-03 20:04 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-04 04:28 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 13:11 +0100
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 12:26 +0000
Re: Accents. John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 09:17 -0800
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:42 +0100
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 20:01 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 11:15 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:33 +0000
Re: Accents. Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:43 -0700
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-02 19:30 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 02:21 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:47 +0000
Re: Accents. Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-30 22:48 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:58 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:25 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:09 +0100
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:29 +0000
Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-30 21:50 -0700
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:28 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:29 +0000
Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:27 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:41 +0000
Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-31 22:45 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-01 05:36 +0000
Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:11 +0100
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:59 +0000
Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 18:54 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-28 09:34 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-26 13:53 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-26 15:40 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 19:11 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-02 14:03 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 22:20 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 08:29 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-02 14:11 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 14:15 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 02:37 +0100
OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-02 18:49 -0800
Re: OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 06:54 +0000
Re: OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-03 08:19 -0800
Re: OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 10:18 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 09:34 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-27 21:26 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 03:36 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:31 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 01:33 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-11 22:52 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 22:48 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-12 02:43 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:12 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:02 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 06:39 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-12 02:59 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 19:20 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-10-13 16:50 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 18:38 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:38 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:45 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:17 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-13 03:28 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-13 03:41 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 10:20 +0100
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-13 11:55 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-13 21:56 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 00:35 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:21 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 06:56 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-14 17:20 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 20:01 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-15 05:36 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-15 03:33 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:18 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:24 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 06:31 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-15 09:00 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:24 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-15 15:11 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:27 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:22 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-17 22:24 -0400
Lazarus [Was: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-18 20:08 +0200
Re: Lazarus [Was: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:15 -0400
Re: Lazarus [Was: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-19 13:46 +0200
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 04:36 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-16 10:29 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:49 -0400
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-16 15:43 -0700
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-10-14 21:30 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 22:11 +0000
Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:10 +0100
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 05:33 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <mmlkduF9aa3U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76884 |
On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 23:19:38 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > Another reason was mentioned on IMDB: there was limited budget to build > some of the sets, so lowering the lighting was one way to hide the fact > that they would have looked cheap. I'd never seen that officially mentioned but I assumed that was the case.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 14:29 +0100 |
| Subject | Blade runner. |
| Message-ID | <aiehtlxomn.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #76884 |
On 2025-11-01 00:19, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 14:41:19 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> On 2025-10-31 05:59, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:35:49 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>>> I complained of that with the original Blade Runner movie. Why has the >>>> future to be dark? Surely they will have invented good lighting >>>> sources. >>> >>> There are things you could complain about in “Blade Runner” (gratuitous >>> violence), but surely not that: the look of the film, conceived by Syd >>> Mead and Ridley Scott, with advanced yet shabby and well-used >>> technology, the vast, towering, dirty city, the melding of Eastern and >>> Western cultures ... that had a major influence on other aspiring >>> sci-fi moviemakers, I would say on a par with “2001: A Space Odyssey”. >> >> I know all that, but I do complain. I can accept the city being dark, >> but interiors being dark, no way. Heck, we invented the LED. my >> interiors are brighter than they ever were. > > One obvious reason is: it makes for cooler pictures. Also helped by > spreading a lot of fine smoke around. > > Another reason was mentioned on IMDB: there was limited budget to build > some of the sets, so lowering the lighting was one way to hide the fact > that they would have looked cheap. > > Maybe the second reason was the primary driver, and the first reason came > out of it as a happy accident. ;) Yes, I can accept that. Doesn't nullify my grumbling, just explains why they did it. The "author" of the fiction. You still need a fictional reason for the future interiors being dark, like electricity being very expensive. But in our reality, light sources are dirt cheap, the cost of the electricity for lighting a house is negligible compared to heating or cooking. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 19:56 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Blade runner. |
| Message-ID | <10e5olo$1h87f$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76906 |
On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 14:29:14 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > You still need a fictional reason for the future interiors being dark, > like electricity being very expensive. Not really. You can often just handwave things away, or even not bother mentioning them. It’s called “artistic licence”. Why did the women of Moonbase wear purple wigs in “UFO”? Because Sylvia Anderson got whole of a bunch of them cheap, and thought they would look neat. A nuclear engine like the one on the “Discovery” spacecraft in “2001: A Space Odyssey” would have needed large radiating fins to get rid of the heat. But Clarke & Kubrick didn’t want the audience spending half the film wondering why a spacecraft needed wings, so they got rid of them. > But in our reality, light sources are dirt cheap, the cost of > the electricity for lighting a house is negligible compared to heating > or cooking. Since you mention that, it seems some people in the USA, near to where these new, massive, electricity-intensive AI datacentres are being set up, are discovering their power bills are getting more expensive.
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| From | c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 21:38 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Blade runner. |
| Message-ID | <gACdnRvgspK3K5v0nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #76917 |
On 11/1/25 15:56, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 14:29:14 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> You still need a fictional reason for the future interiors being dark, >> like electricity being very expensive. > > Not really. You can often just handwave things away, or even not bother > mentioning them. It’s called “artistic licence”. Fashion changes. About 1970, all the neighbors bought day-glo "mod" furnishings (painful to use) and put in trac-lighting. There'd be a lava lamp in a corner shelf, just above the gigantic 25" COLOR television. The entire room would be covered in plastic unless 'company' was visiting. All the neighborhood kids basically lived at MY house, all-organic, lived-in, ok for dogs and cats and kids. A few, the parents would actually lock the kids out of the house after school until they got off work - they might make a MESS after all !!! Mom grew up on a farm - no pretense in her 'design choices'. Houses are for LIVING IN, not for show unless you're the zillionaire set. :-) Oh, aesthetic malfunction ? ONE neighbor had kind of glow-green mod furnishings and a bright ORANGE shaggy carpet ... kind of hurt the eyes ..... Anyway, the Runner 'dark look' ... I'd put that down to 'current fashions', not a power shortage :-) Current-day ... LED lights are very efficient. They are now combining 'quantum dots' into some of the designs which makes even more lumens/watt. https://www.crled-us.com/quantum-dot-led-breakthrough-enhances-energy-efficiency/ We'd like to see a clean 90% efficiency ... and that may come pretty soon.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 14:31 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <7mehtlxomn.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #76864 |
On 2025-10-31 14:41, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-10-31 05:59, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:35:49 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> I complained of that with the original Blade Runner movie. Why has the >>> future to be dark? Surely they will have invented good lighting sources. >> >> There are things you could complain about in “Blade Runner” (gratuitous >> violence), but surely not that: the look of the film, conceived by Syd >> Mead and Ridley Scott, with advanced yet shabby and well-used technology, >> the vast, towering, dirty city, the melding of Eastern and Western >> cultures ... that had a major influence on other aspiring sci-fi >> moviemakers, I would say on a par with “2001: A Space Odyssey”. >> >> RIP Philip K Dick, SF novelist who wrote--and lived--right on the edge of >> sanity a lot of the time, and who died before production was completed. >> >> Also RIP Rutger Hauer, who died in 2019, the year the movie was set in. > > I know all that, but I do complain. I can accept the city being dark, > but interiors being dark, no way. Heck, we invented the LED. my > interiors are brighter than they ever were. To be clear, I voiced this complaint as I exited the theatre back in the day. The explanations came later. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 19:48 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <mmki52F3fffU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76857 |
On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 04:59:21 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > RIP Philip K Dick, SF novelist who wrote--and lived--right on the edge > of sanity a lot of the time, and who died before production was > completed. 'A Scanner Darkly' was semi-autobiographical. Linklater's film sort of preserves the weird by rotoscoping it. I'm not sure why he used top shelf actors and turned it into sort of an animation.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 22:45 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <c_aNQ.939046$p8E9.515123@fx18.iad> |
| In reply to | #76857 |
On 2025-10-31, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:35:49 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> I complained of that with the original Blade Runner movie. Why has the >> future to be dark? Surely they will have invented good lighting sources. > > There are things you could complain about in “Blade Runner” (gratuitous > violence), but surely not that: the look of the film, conceived by Syd > Mead and Ridley Scott, with advanced yet shabby and well-used technology, > the vast, towering, dirty city, the melding of Eastern and Western > cultures ... that had a major influence on other aspiring sci-fi > moviemakers, I would say on a par with “2001: A Space Odyssey”. > > RIP Philip K Dick, SF novelist who wrote--and lived--right on the edge of > sanity a lot of the time, and who died before production was completed. > > Also RIP Rutger Hauer, who died in 2019, the year the movie was set in. The Outer Limits episode "Demon with a Glass Hand" (1964) was shot in the same building as the final scenes of "Blade Runner". Both works created a dark mood that I never forgot. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 23:22 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <10e3gcf$rpu5$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76880 |
On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 22:45:28 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > The Outer Limits episode "Demon with a Glass Hand" (1964) was shot in > the same building as the final scenes of "Blade Runner". Both works > created a dark mood that I never forgot. Frank Lloyd Wright’s Ennis House also makes an appearance in “Blade Runner”. That place has been used in so many movies, it’s almost become a cliché.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-30 21:33 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <4luctlxlmi.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #76810 |
On 2025-10-29 19:47, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2025-10-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, 28 Oct 2025 20:21:07 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >>> On 2025-10-28, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote: >>> >>>> My downfall is British shows. Some are okay, some are very difficult >>>> for me to understand. After a while I sometimes can adapt. >>> >>> Scottish accents (especially Glaswegian) must drive you nuts. >> >> I saw 'Sexy Beast' in a theater and understood little except Kingsley's >> 'fuck' which was a big part of his monologues. I thought it was me but as >> I left I overheard several couples wishing there were subtitles. > > I find myself turning on subtitles (when available) more and more > even for supposedly English speakers. As my first language is not English, you can not imagine how reassuring is to me what you said there, when I need to have the subtitles there (hopefully in English, but otherwise Spanish will do) because there is always a word that I don't catch every little while. But sometimes in Spanish movies or serials (and Spanish is my first language) there is a word I don't understand, and I have to rewind and activate the subtitles. It is rare, but it does happen. Reminds me, in Amazon Prime Video sometimes there is an alternative audio track with "improved dialogue clarity" or some wording to that respect. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-30 22:20 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <10e0obl$n2t$13@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76837 |
On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:33:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > But sometimes in Spanish movies or serials (and Spanish is my first > language) there is a word I don't understand, and I have to rewind > and activate the subtitles. It is rare, but it does happen. Any language that has been in used in an area for centuries (like Spanish) and was also spread around via a worlwide empire at one stage (like Spanish) is bound to develop regional variations though, isn’t it. Is the Spanish spoken in the Americas very different from Spain? Not to mention the variations within Spain itself. There is a reporter on Al Jazeera named Teresa Bo, and I am quite intrigued with the way she pronounces Spanish names: e.g. “Nicolas Maduro” comes out sounding more like “Nicolah Maluro” (perhaps I should use the Vietnamese letter, since that’s what it sounds like: “Mađuro”). Or in “Cuba” the “b” sound turns almost into “w”. I think she’s from Argentina, but I can’t be sure.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-30 23:36 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <hr5dtlxh8l.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #76841 |
On 2025-10-30 23:20, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:33:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> But sometimes in Spanish movies or serials (and Spanish is my first >> language) there is a word I don't understand, and I have to rewind >> and activate the subtitles. It is rare, but it does happen. > > Any language that has been in used in an area for centuries (like > Spanish) and was also spread around via a worlwide empire at one stage > (like Spanish) is bound to develop regional variations though, isn’t > it. Certainly. But the actors I did not understand were from Spain and the action was taking place in Spain. If it were an actor from Mexico, Argentina, Peru, I would take that into account and would not be surprised by not understanding something. > > Is the Spanish spoken in the Americas very different from Spain? Not > to mention the variations within Spain itself. Yes, they are. The local variants I am familiar with, I think. > > There is a reporter on Al Jazeera named Teresa Bo, and I am quite > intrigued with the way she pronounces Spanish names: e.g. “Nicolas > Maduro” comes out sounding more like “Nicolah Maluro” (perhaps I > should use the Vietnamese letter, since that’s what it sounds like: > “Mađuro”). Or in “Cuba” the “b” sound turns almost into “w”. I think > she’s from Argentina, but I can’t be sure. Argentina is certainly special, they have a lot of influence from Italian. Mexico has a lot of USA influence, besides their own "flavor" :-) Cuba has some similarity with the accent in the Canary Islands. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 04:51 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <10e1f94$7gc2$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76843 |
On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 23:36:01 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-10-30 23:20, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >> Any language that has been in used in an area for centuries (like >> Spanish) and was also spread around via a worlwide empire at one stage >> (like Spanish) is bound to develop regional variations though, isn’t >> it. > > Certainly. But the actors I did not understand were from Spain and the > action was taking place in Spain. I’m sure there are some quite wide regional variations within there, like in English in the UK. There is a saying: “A language is a dialect with an army”. Scots (lowland Scots, à la Robbie Burns, not highland Gaelic) would have been an entirely separate language from English, if it were not for the Scottish king inheriting the English throne. How different is Catalan from Spanish? Are there other regional languages/dialects that are maybe almost as different? (And then there’s Basque ...) Even within England, there can be wide variation. I remember watching a TV comedy/drama series called “Auf Wiedersehen, Pet”, back in the 1980s, during the time when Maggie Thatcher was 🇬🇧 Prime Minister, and whose policies had thrown large numbers of Brits out of work. The main characters were from around England, plus an Irishman (bricklayers, carpenters etc), who got work in West Germany, which was undergoing a construction boom at the time. And they had all their different styles of regional speech. Three of them were from north-east England, around Newcastle, aka “Geordies”. The first episode, I had to strain to make sense of what they were saying -- it was an accent I had never heard before. After that, it got a bit easier ...
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 14:48 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <raretlxkeo.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #76856 |
On 2025-10-31 05:51, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 23:36:01 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> On 2025-10-30 23:20, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>> >>> Any language that has been in used in an area for centuries (like >>> Spanish) and was also spread around via a worlwide empire at one stage >>> (like Spanish) is bound to develop regional variations though, isn’t >>> it. >> >> Certainly. But the actors I did not understand were from Spain and the >> action was taking place in Spain. > > I’m sure there are some quite wide regional variations within there, like > in English in the UK. There is a saying: “A language is a dialect with an > army”. Scots (lowland Scots, à la Robbie Burns, not highland Gaelic) would > have been an entirely separate language from English, if it were not for > the Scottish king inheriting the English throne. How different is Catalan > from Spanish? Are there other regional languages/dialects that are maybe > almost as different? (And then there’s Basque ...) Catalan is different, quite different, but it is a language on its own. And there are other regional languages. I can not understand a speaker of those languages, just some words. But I can understand a Spanish speaker born in Cataluña, no problem. > > Even within England, there can be wide variation. I remember watching a TV > comedy/drama series called “Auf Wiedersehen, Pet”, back in the 1980s, > during the time when Maggie Thatcher was 🇬🇧 Prime Minister, and whose > policies had thrown large numbers of Brits out of work. The main > characters were from around England, plus an Irishman (bricklayers, > carpenters etc), who got work in West Germany, which was undergoing a > construction boom at the time. And they had all their different styles of > regional speech. > > Three of them were from north-east England, around Newcastle, aka > “Geordies”. The first episode, I had to strain to make sense of what they > were saying -- it was an accent I had never heard before. After that, it > got a bit easier ... A person that learns Spanish as a second language has serious trouble understanding a person at Sevilla or Malaga, for instance. The accent is quite different. I don't know if it is a dialect or not. But we understand them. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 15:03 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <10e2j40$it2l$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76865 |
On 31/10/2025 13:48, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-10-31 05:51, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 23:36:01 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> >>> On 2025-10-30 23:20, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >>>> >>>> Any language that has been in used in an area for centuries (like >>>> Spanish) and was also spread around via a worlwide empire at one stage >>>> (like Spanish) is bound to develop regional variations though, isn’t >>>> it. >>> >>> Certainly. But the actors I did not understand were from Spain and the >>> action was taking place in Spain. >> >> I’m sure there are some quite wide regional variations within there, like >> in English in the UK. There is a saying: “A language is a dialect with an >> army”. Scots (lowland Scots, à la Robbie Burns, not highland Gaelic) >> would >> have been an entirely separate language from English, if it were not for >> the Scottish king inheriting the English throne. How different is Catalan >> from Spanish? Are there other regional languages/dialects that are maybe >> almost as different? (And then there’s Basque ...) > > Catalan is different, quite different, but it is a language on its own. > And there are other regional languages. I can not understand a speaker > of those languages, just some words. > > But I can understand a Spanish speaker born in Cataluña, no problem. > >> >> Even within England, there can be wide variation. I remember watching >> a TV >> comedy/drama series called “Auf Wiedersehen, Pet”, back in the 1980s, >> during the time when Maggie Thatcher was 🇬🇧 Prime Minister, and whose >> policies had thrown large numbers of Brits out of work. The main >> characters were from around England, plus an Irishman (bricklayers, >> carpenters etc), who got work in West Germany, which was undergoing a >> construction boom at the time. And they had all their different styles of >> regional speech. >> >> Three of them were from north-east England, around Newcastle, aka >> “Geordies”. The first episode, I had to strain to make sense of what they >> were saying -- it was an accent I had never heard before. After that, it >> got a bit easier ... > > A person that learns Spanish as a second language has serious trouble > understanding a person at Sevilla or Malaga, for instance. The accent is > quite different. I don't know if it is a dialect or not. But we > understand them. > > It is the same everywhere. My sister learnt her German in Bavaria and is quite dark skinned. People think she is Bavarian though she now lives in central Germany. > People with strong accents in England are often hard to understand unless you have been around them a long time, which is why RP - essentially the dialect of the home counties near London - was taught as a standard all could understand. Sadly socialism decreed this to be discriminatory against people with accents. And there are some very very bad ones. I found one tech support person who sounded black and female to be completely unintelligible with some sort of elided glottal stopped mush of Estuary English. -- For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. H.L.Mencken
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 20:15 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <mmkjmhF3fffU9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76866 |
On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 15:03:27 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > It is the same everywhere. My sister learnt her German in Bavaria and > is quite dark skinned. People think she is Bavarian though she now lives > in central Germany. Bavaria wasn't all that happy about joining the German Empire. Southwest Germany is Catholic and has the Swabian dialect that sets it off. In a way it is closer to Austria, a country that a lot of people forget about entirely.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 11:15 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <10e4q5a$16v9t$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76877 |
On 31/10/2025 20:15, rbowman wrote: > On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 15:03:27 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> It is the same everywhere. My sister learnt her German in Bavaria and >> is quite dark skinned. People think she is Bavarian though she now lives >> in central Germany. > > Bavaria wasn't all that happy about joining the German Empire. Southwest > Germany is Catholic and has the Swabian dialect that sets it off. In a way > it is closer to Austria, a country that a lot of people forget about > entirely. +1. They still are not so happy. -- Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early twenty-first century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and, on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to contemplate a rollback of the industrial age. Richard Lindzen
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-02 00:39 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <mmnnhbFjnd4U6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #76901 |
On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 11:15:54 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 31/10/2025 20:15, rbowman wrote: >> On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 15:03:27 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> It is the same everywhere. My sister learnt her German in Bavaria and >>> is quite dark skinned. People think she is Bavarian though she now >>> lives in central Germany. >> >> Bavaria wasn't all that happy about joining the German Empire. >> Southwest Germany is Catholic and has the Swabian dialect that sets it >> off. In a way it is closer to Austria, a country that a lot of people >> forget about entirely. > > +1. They still are not so happy. Considering a lot of tech is in Baden-Württemberg and Bavaria and the Greens in the rest of the country seem adverse to making money it's understandable they'd want to toss the anchor overboard.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 23:26 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <10e3gim$rpu5$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76866 |
On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 15:03:27 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > People with strong accents in England are often hard to understand > unless you have been around them a long time, which is why RP - > essentially the dialect of the home counties near London ... Funny how that didn’t actually include London itself. > ... - was taught as a standard all could understand. Sadly socialism > decreed this to be discriminatory against people with accents. Perhaps because there is no such thing as “accentless” speech. There was a lovely “Two Ronnies” sketch, back in the day, that skewered this issue rather well. They did a lot of playing-on-language skits, but this one really put paid to the fond delusion that RP was somehow easier to understand than any other accent ...
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 14:44 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <fefhtlx1us.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #76886 |
On 2025-11-01 00:26, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 15:03:27 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> People with strong accents in England are often hard to understand >> unless you have been around them a long time, which is why RP - >> essentially the dialect of the home counties near London ... > > Funny how that didn’t actually include London itself. > >> ... - was taught as a standard all could understand. Sadly socialism >> decreed this to be discriminatory against people with accents. > > Perhaps because there is no such thing as “accentless” speech. > > There was a lovely “Two Ronnies” sketch, back in the day, that > skewered this issue rather well. They did a lot of playing-on-language > skits, but this one really put paid to the fond delusion that RP was > somehow easier to understand than any other accent ... If the goal is to have English as an universal language, teaching a common accent makes a lot of sense. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-11-01 14:05 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Accents. |
| Message-ID | <10e5434$1a84r$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #76909 |
On 01/11/2025 13:44, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-11-01 00:26, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 15:03:27 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> People with strong accents in England are often hard to understand >>> unless you have been around them a long time, which is why RP - >>> essentially the dialect of the home counties near London ... >> >> Funny how that didn’t actually include London itself. >> >>> ... - was taught as a standard all could understand. Sadly socialism >>> decreed this to be discriminatory against people with accents. >> >> Perhaps because there is no such thing as “accentless” speech. >> >> There was a lovely “Two Ronnies” sketch, back in the day, that >> skewered this issue rather well. They did a lot of playing-on-language >> skits, but this one really put paid to the fond delusion that RP was >> somehow easier to understand than any other accent ... > > If the goal is to have English as an universal language, teaching a > common accent makes a lot of sense. > RP is clarity of diction to the extent of sounding artificial. There is a need for a universally understood international language and English is the best we have to date. It's far from perfect especially since England abandoned any attempt to standardise grammar, vocabulary or pronunciation. But it is the best we have. -- “People believe certain stories because everyone important tells them, and people tell those stories because everyone important believes them. Indeed, when a conventional wisdom is at its fullest strength, one’s agreement with that conventional wisdom becomes almost a litmus test of one’s suitability to be taken seriously.” Paul Krugman
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