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Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?

Started byAnssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi>
First post2025-10-07 16:07 +0300
Last post2025-10-12 12:10 +0100
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  Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-10-07 16:07 +0300
    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-07 14:39 +0100
    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-07 22:52 +0000
    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-08 01:35 -0400
      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-08 10:53 +0200
        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-08 21:06 +0000
          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-09 21:25 +0200
            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-09 21:45 +0000
              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:41 -0400
                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 09:21 +0200
                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-10 13:21 +0000
                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-10 21:15 +0200
                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-10 21:53 +0000
                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:46 -0400
                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 02:38 -0400
        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 02:09 -0400
          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-09 18:52 +0000
            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-09 21:33 -0400
              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-11 15:10 +0000
                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-11 17:48 +0000
                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-11 19:01 +0000
                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:08 +0000
                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:32 +0000
                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:29 -0400
                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-12 11:07 +0000
                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-13 09:06 -0700
                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-18 16:24 +0000
                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-18 21:02 +0000
                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-19 01:36 +0000
                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-19 13:39 +0200
                              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-20 02:10 +0000
                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 05:36 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 02:33 -0400
                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-20 02:31 -0400
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-20 19:21 +0000
                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-19 12:17 +0000
                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-19 02:22 +0000
                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:28 -0400
                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-19 11:19 +0100
                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 09:20 -0700
                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-25 12:49 +0000
                              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-25 16:45 +0100
                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-25 22:16 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 01:51 +0000
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-26 04:40 +0000
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 08:42 +0000
                                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 09:11 +0000
                                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 10:06 +0000
                                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 19:25 +0000
                                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 19:48 +0100
                                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 21:29 +0000
                                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-27 00:44 +0100
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 00:57 -0400
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 07:14 +0000
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 11:05 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 02:00 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-26 11:02 +0000
                              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-25 22:03 +0000
                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-25 21:19 -0400
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 01:50 +0000
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-26 04:40 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 14:52 +0100
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 19:06 +0000
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-26 20:29 +0100
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-26 21:22 +0000
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 22:17 -0400
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-27 10:09 +0100
                                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:23 +0000
                                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-28 00:47 +0100
                                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 00:27 +0000
                                              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 07:45 +0000
                                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 23:05 +0000
                                              Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:46 +0100
                                                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 18:47 +0000
                                                  Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-28 20:21 +0000
                                                    Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-28 23:46 +0100
                                                    Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-29 01:41 +0000
                                                      Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:07 +0000
                                                      Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-29 18:47 +0000
                                                        Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 22:15 +0000
                                                        Re: Accents. Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2025-10-30 17:29 +0000
                                                          Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 17:31 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-30 19:31 +0000
                                                              Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:14 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:11 +0000
                                                          Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-30 20:10 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:35 +0100
                                                              Re: Accents. candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-10-30 21:40 +0000
                                                              Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-30 15:18 -0700
                                                                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:17 +0000
                                                                  Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-30 21:46 -0700
                                                                    Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:25 +0000
                                                                      LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:38 +0100
                                                                        Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-01 20:50 -0400
                                                                          Re: LED lights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 11:14 +0000
                                                                          Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 15:41 +0100
                                                                          Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:57 +0000
                                                                            Re: LED lights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-03 00:12 +0000
                                                                              Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 02:38 +0100
                                                                                Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 00:19 -0500
                                                                                  Re: LED lights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-03 07:03 +0000
                                                                                    Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 14:20 -0500
                                                                                      Re: LED lights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 20:02 +0000
                                                                                        Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-04 04:42 +0000
                                                                                          Re: LED lights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 02:31 -0500
                                                                                Re: LED lights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 10:16 +0000
                                                                        Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 01:51 +0000
                                                                          Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 15:48 +0100
                                                                            Re: LED lights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:42 +0000
                                                                              Re: LED lights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 21:33 +0100
                                                              Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-30 22:21 +0000
                                                              Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 04:59 +0000
                                                                Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-31 14:41 +0100
                                                                  Re: Accents. John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-31 08:56 -0700
                                                                  Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:53 +0000
                                                                    Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-31 19:02 -0700
                                                                      Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 02:52 +0000
                                                                        Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-01 05:32 +0000
                                                                          Re: Accents. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-19 19:19 +0000
                                                                            TV tropes (was: Re: Accents.) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-20 11:01 +0000
                                                                              Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-20 13:10 +0100
                                                                                Re: TV tropes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-20 17:57 +0000
                                                                                  Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-20 21:28 +0100
                                                                                  Re: TV tropes Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 02:10 +0000
                                                                                    Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 13:14 +0100
                                                                              Re: TV tropes Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 02:09 +0000
                                                                                Re: TV tropes rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-21 07:41 +0000
                                                                                  Re: TV tropes Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-21 09:00 +0000
                                                                                  Re: TV tropes The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 09:13 +0000
                                                                                    Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 13:17 +0100
                                                                                    Re: TV tropes rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-21 19:28 +0000
                                                                                      Re: TV tropes "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 20:43 +0100
                                                                                        Re: TV tropes The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 23:00 +0000
                                                                                        Re: TV tropes rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-22 04:06 +0000
                                                                        Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:24 +0100
                                                                          Re: Not Blade Runner Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 19:57 +0000
                                                                    Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:22 +0100
                                                                      Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 01:22 +0000
                                                                        Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 15:50 +0100
                                                                          Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:20 +0000
                                                                            Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-02 21:34 +0100
                                                                              Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 02:47 +0000
                                                                                Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 13:05 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Blade runner rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 20:04 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Blade runner c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 15:40 -0500
                                                                                      Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 22:30 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-03 17:48 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Flashlights Ian <gay@sfuu.ca> - 2025-11-03 20:26 -0800
                                                                                            Re: Flashlights Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-11-04 04:55 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 02:35 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-11-05 03:44 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 01:05 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-05 13:20 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:08 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-05 16:33 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-05 20:37 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:26 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 11:56 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-06 18:42 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 17:30 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: Flashlights candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-11-07 16:20 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-07 18:11 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-07 18:50 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-07 22:42 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-07 21:08 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:31 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-08 16:05 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-08 20:06 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 00:04 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:08 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:41 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 12:07 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@personalprojects.net> - 2025-11-09 19:05 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:58 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:12 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-06 05:09 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 01:31 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-06 18:39 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-04 07:51 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 02:19 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-04 09:55 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 18:16 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-21 20:39 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-21 22:54 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-21 23:52 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-21 23:32 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-22 06:49 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-22 03:14 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-22 11:32 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-04 11:28 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-04 11:15 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 13:27 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-04 19:37 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 21:12 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 13:22 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-04 20:52 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-04 21:23 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-05 13:23 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:10 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 12:05 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 17:21 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-05 07:21 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 03:54 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-21 18:20 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-04 09:52 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-05 07:21 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 03:17 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Flashlights The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-05 11:54 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-05 16:41 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:16 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-05 22:22 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 22:41 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-06 12:10 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-06 17:24 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-07 02:44 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Flashlights c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-05 21:53 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Flashlights "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-04 11:12 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Blade runner "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 23:14 +0100
                                                                    Re: Accents. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-19 19:01 +0000
                                                                  Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:19 +0000
                                                                    Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-01 05:33 +0000
                                                                    Blade runner. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:29 +0100
                                                                      Re: Blade runner. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 19:56 +0000
                                                                        Re: Blade runner. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-01 21:38 -0400
                                                                  Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:31 +0100
                                                                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:48 +0000
                                                                Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-31 22:45 +0000
                                                                  Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:22 +0000
                                                        Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:33 +0100
                                                          Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 22:20 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-30 23:36 +0100
                                                              Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 04:51 +0000
                                                                Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-31 14:48 +0100
                                                                  Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 15:03 +0000
                                                                    Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 20:15 +0000
                                                                      Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 11:15 +0000
                                                                        Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:39 +0000
                                                                    Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:26 +0000
                                                                      Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:44 +0100
                                                                        Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:05 +0000
                                                                          Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:54 +0000
                                                                            Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 11:15 +0000
                                                                              Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 19:02 +0000
                                                                        Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:10 +0000
                                                                        Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:49 +0000
                                                                          Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 11:13 +0000
                                                                            Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 18:48 +0000
                                                                              Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 10:12 +0000
                                                                                Re: Accents. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-03 20:04 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-04 04:28 +0000
                                                                              Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 13:11 +0100
                                                                                Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 12:26 +0000
                                                                        Re: Accents. John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 09:17 -0800
                                                                    Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:42 +0100
                                                                  Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 20:01 +0000
                                                                    Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-01 11:15 +0000
                                                                      Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:33 +0000
                                                                        Re: Accents. Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:43 -0700
                                                                          Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-02 19:30 +0000
                                                                            Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 02:21 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:47 +0000
                                                          Re: Accents. Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-10-30 22:48 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:58 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:25 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:09 +0100
                                                          Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 03:29 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-30 21:50 -0700
                                                              Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:28 +0000
                                                              Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:29 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:27 +0000
                                                              Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-31 19:41 +0000
                                                                Re: Accents. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-31 22:45 +0000
                                                                  Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-01 05:36 +0000
                                                            Re: Accents. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:11 +0100
                                                              Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-02 00:59 +0000
                                                Re: Accents. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-28 18:54 +0000
                                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-28 09:34 +0000
                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-26 13:53 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-10-26 15:40 +0100
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-26 19:11 +0000
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-02 14:03 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-26 22:20 -0400
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 08:29 +0000
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-02 14:11 +0000
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-02 14:15 +0000
                                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-03 02:37 +0100
                                          OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-02 18:49 -0800
                                            Re: OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-03 06:54 +0000
                                              Re: OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-03 08:19 -0800
                                            Re: OT -xRe: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-03 10:18 +0000
                              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-27 09:34 -0700
                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-27 21:26 +0000
                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 03:36 -0400
                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 19:31 +0000
                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 01:33 +0000
                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-11 22:52 +0200
                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-11 22:48 +0000
                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-12 02:43 +0200
                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:12 +0100
                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-11 22:02 -0400
                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 06:39 +0000
                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-12 02:59 -0400
                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-12 19:20 +0000
                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-10-13 16:50 +0000
                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 18:38 +0100
                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:38 -0400
                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:45 -0400
                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:17 +0100
                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-13 03:28 +0000
                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-13 03:41 -0400
                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-13 10:20 +0100
                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-13 11:55 +0200
                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-13 21:56 +0000
                              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 00:35 +0000
                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 01:21 -0400
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-14 06:56 +0000
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-14 17:20 +0000
                                    Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-14 20:01 -0400
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-10-15 05:36 +0000
                                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-15 03:33 -0400
                                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:18 +0000
                                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:24 -0400
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 06:31 +0000
                                      Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-15 09:00 -0700
                                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-15 21:24 +0000
                                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-15 15:11 -0700
                                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 02:27 -0400
                                            Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-10-16 07:22 +0000
                                              Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-17 22:24 -0400
                                                Lazarus [Was: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-18 20:08 +0200
                                                  Re: Lazarus [Was: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?] c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-19 04:15 -0400
                                                    Re: Lazarus [Was: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work?] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-19 13:46 +0200
                                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-16 04:36 +0000
                                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-16 10:29 -0700
                                        Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-10-16 01:49 -0400
                                          Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-10-16 15:43 -0700
                                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-10-14 21:30 +0000
                                  Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-14 22:11 +0000
                Re: Fancy-smanchy installers that don't work? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-12 12:10 +0100

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#76893 — Re: Accents.

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-11-01 05:33 +0000
SubjectRe: Accents.
Message-ID<mmlkduF9aa3U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#76884
On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 23:19:38 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

> Another reason was mentioned on IMDB: there was limited budget to build
> some of the sets, so lowering the lighting was one way to hide the fact
> that they would have looked cheap.

I'd never seen that officially mentioned but I assumed that was the case. 

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#76906 — Blade runner.

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-11-01 14:29 +0100
SubjectBlade runner.
Message-ID<aiehtlxomn.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#76884
On 2025-11-01 00:19, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 14:41:19 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> On 2025-10-31 05:59, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:35:49 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>
>>>> I complained of that with the original Blade Runner movie. Why has the
>>>> future to be dark? Surely they will have invented good lighting
>>>> sources.
>>>
>>> There are things you could complain about in “Blade Runner” (gratuitous
>>> violence), but surely not that: the look of the film, conceived by Syd
>>> Mead and Ridley Scott, with advanced yet shabby and well-used
>>> technology, the vast, towering, dirty city, the melding of Eastern and
>>> Western cultures ... that had a major influence on other aspiring
>>> sci-fi moviemakers, I would say on a par with “2001: A Space Odyssey”.
>>
>> I know all that, but I do complain. I can accept the city being dark,
>> but interiors being dark, no way. Heck, we invented the LED. my
>> interiors are brighter than they ever were.
> 
> One obvious reason is: it makes for cooler pictures. Also helped by
> spreading a lot of fine smoke around.
> 
> Another reason was mentioned on IMDB: there was limited budget to build
> some of the sets, so lowering the lighting was one way to hide the fact
> that they would have looked cheap.
> 
> Maybe the second reason was the primary driver, and the first reason came
> out of it as a happy accident. ;)

Yes, I can accept that. Doesn't nullify my grumbling, just explains why 
they did it. The "author" of the fiction. You still need a fictional 
reason for the future interiors being dark, like electricity being very 
expensive. But in our reality, light sources are dirt cheap, the cost of 
the electricity for lighting a house is negligible compared to heating 
or cooking.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#76917 — Re: Blade runner.

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-11-01 19:56 +0000
SubjectRe: Blade runner.
Message-ID<10e5olo$1h87f$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#76906
On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 14:29:14 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> You still need a fictional reason for the future interiors being dark,
> like electricity being very expensive.

Not really. You can often just handwave things away, or even not bother 
mentioning them. It’s called “artistic licence”.

Why did the women of Moonbase wear purple wigs in “UFO”? Because Sylvia 
Anderson got whole of a bunch of them cheap, and thought they would look 
neat.

A nuclear engine like the one on the “Discovery” spacecraft in “2001: A 
Space Odyssey” would have needed large radiating fins to get rid of the 
heat. But Clarke & Kubrick didn’t want the audience spending half the film 
wondering why a spacecraft needed wings, so they got rid of them.

> But in our reality, light sources are dirt cheap, the cost of
> the electricity for lighting a house is negligible compared to heating
> or cooking.

Since you mention that, it seems some people in the USA, near to where 
these new, massive, electricity-intensive AI datacentres are being set up, 
are discovering their power bills are getting more expensive.

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#76935 — Re: Blade runner.

Fromc186282 <c186282@nnada.net>
Date2025-11-01 21:38 -0400
SubjectRe: Blade runner.
Message-ID<gACdnRvgspK3K5v0nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#76917
On 11/1/25 15:56, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 14:29:14 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> You still need a fictional reason for the future interiors being dark,
>> like electricity being very expensive.
> 
> Not really. You can often just handwave things away, or even not bother
> mentioning them. It’s called “artistic licence”.

   Fashion changes.

   About 1970, all the neighbors bought day-glo "mod"
   furnishings (painful to use) and put in trac-lighting.
   There'd be a lava lamp in a corner shelf, just above
   the gigantic 25" COLOR television. The entire room
   would be covered in plastic unless 'company' was
   visiting.

   All the neighborhood kids basically lived at MY house,
   all-organic, lived-in, ok for dogs and cats and kids.
   A few, the parents would actually lock the kids out
   of the house after school until they got off work -
   they might make a MESS after all !!!

   Mom grew up on a farm - no pretense in her 'design
   choices'. Houses are for LIVING IN, not for show
   unless you're the zillionaire set.  :-)

   Oh, aesthetic malfunction ? ONE neighbor had kind
   of glow-green mod furnishings and a bright ORANGE
   shaggy carpet ... kind of hurt the eyes .....

   Anyway, the Runner 'dark look' ... I'd put that down
   to 'current fashions', not a power shortage  :-)

   Current-day ... LED lights are very efficient. They
   are now combining 'quantum dots' into some of the
   designs which makes even more lumens/watt.

https://www.crled-us.com/quantum-dot-led-breakthrough-enhances-energy-efficiency/

   We'd like to see a clean 90% efficiency ... and
   that may come pretty soon.

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#76907 — Re: Accents.

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-11-01 14:31 +0100
SubjectRe: Accents.
Message-ID<7mehtlxomn.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#76864
On 2025-10-31 14:41, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-10-31 05:59, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:35:49 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>> I complained of that with the original Blade Runner movie. Why has the
>>> future to be dark? Surely they will have invented good lighting sources.
>>
>> There are things you could complain about in “Blade Runner” (gratuitous
>> violence), but surely not that: the look of the film, conceived by Syd
>> Mead and Ridley Scott, with advanced yet shabby and well-used technology,
>> the vast, towering, dirty city, the melding of Eastern and Western
>> cultures ... that had a major influence on other aspiring sci-fi
>> moviemakers, I would say on a par with “2001: A Space Odyssey”.
>>
>> RIP Philip K Dick, SF novelist who wrote--and lived--right on the edge of
>> sanity a lot of the time, and who died before production was completed.
>>
>> Also RIP Rutger Hauer, who died in 2019, the year the movie was set in.
> 
> I know all that, but I do complain. I can accept the city being dark, 
> but interiors being dark, no way. Heck, we invented the LED. my 
> interiors are brighter than they ever were.

To be clear, I voiced this complaint as I exited the theatre back in the 
day. The explanations came later.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#76873 — Re: Accents.

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-10-31 19:48 +0000
SubjectRe: Accents.
Message-ID<mmki52F3fffU6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#76857
On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 04:59:21 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

> RIP Philip K Dick, SF novelist who wrote--and lived--right on the edge
> of sanity a lot of the time, and who died before production was
> completed.

'A Scanner Darkly' was semi-autobiographical. Linklater's film sort of 
preserves the weird by rotoscoping it. I'm not sure why he used top shelf 
actors and turned it into sort of an animation.

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#76880 — Re: Accents.

FromCharlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2025-10-31 22:45 +0000
SubjectRe: Accents.
Message-ID<c_aNQ.939046$p8E9.515123@fx18.iad>
In reply to#76857
On 2025-10-31, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:35:49 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> I complained of that with the original Blade Runner movie. Why has the
>> future to be dark? Surely they will have invented good lighting sources.
>
> There are things you could complain about in “Blade Runner” (gratuitous 
> violence), but surely not that: the look of the film, conceived by Syd 
> Mead and Ridley Scott, with advanced yet shabby and well-used technology, 
> the vast, towering, dirty city, the melding of Eastern and Western 
> cultures ... that had a major influence on other aspiring sci-fi 
> moviemakers, I would say on a par with “2001: A Space Odyssey”.
>
> RIP Philip K Dick, SF novelist who wrote--and lived--right on the edge of 
> sanity a lot of the time, and who died before production was completed.
>
> Also RIP Rutger Hauer, who died in 2019, the year the movie was set in.

The Outer Limits episode "Demon with a Glass Hand" (1964) was shot in the
same building as the final scenes of "Blade Runner".  Both works created
a dark mood that I never forgot.

-- 
/~\  Charlie Gibbs                  |  Growth for the sake of
\ /  <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>      |  growth is the ideology
 X   I'm really at ac.dekanfrus     |  of the cancer cell.
/ \  if you read it the right way.  |    -- Edward Abbey

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#76885 — Re: Accents.

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-10-31 23:22 +0000
SubjectRe: Accents.
Message-ID<10e3gcf$rpu5$6@dont-email.me>
In reply to#76880
On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 22:45:28 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> The Outer Limits episode "Demon with a Glass Hand" (1964) was shot in
> the same building as the final scenes of "Blade Runner".  Both works
> created a dark mood that I never forgot.

Frank Lloyd Wright’s Ennis House also makes an appearance in “Blade 
Runner”. That place has been used in so many movies, it’s almost become a 
cliché.

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#76837 — Re: Accents.

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-10-30 21:33 +0100
SubjectRe: Accents.
Message-ID<4luctlxlmi.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#76810
On 2025-10-29 19:47, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2025-10-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2025 20:21:07 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> On 2025-10-28, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My downfall is British shows. Some are okay, some are very difficult
>>>> for me to understand. After a while I sometimes can adapt.
>>>
>>> Scottish accents (especially Glaswegian) must drive you nuts.
>>
>> I saw 'Sexy Beast' in a theater and understood little except Kingsley's
>> 'fuck' which was a big part of his monologues. I thought it was me but as
>> I left I overheard several couples wishing there were subtitles.
> 
> I find myself turning on subtitles (when available) more and more
> even for supposedly English speakers.

As my first language is not English, you can not imagine how reassuring 
is to me what you said there, when I need to have the subtitles there 
(hopefully in English, but otherwise Spanish will do) because there is 
always a word that I don't catch every little while.

But sometimes in Spanish movies or serials (and Spanish is my first 
language) there is a word I don't understand, and I have to rewind and 
activate the subtitles. It is rare, but it does happen.


Reminds me, in Amazon Prime Video sometimes there is an alternative 
audio track with "improved dialogue clarity" or some wording to that 
respect.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#76841 — Re: Accents.

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-10-30 22:20 +0000
SubjectRe: Accents.
Message-ID<10e0obl$n2t$13@dont-email.me>
In reply to#76837
On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:33:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> But sometimes in Spanish movies or serials (and Spanish is my first
> language) there is a word I don't understand, and I have to rewind
> and activate the subtitles. It is rare, but it does happen.

Any language that has been in used in an area for centuries (like
Spanish) and was also spread around via a worlwide empire at one stage
(like Spanish) is bound to develop regional variations though, isn’t
it.

Is the Spanish spoken in the Americas very different from Spain? Not
to mention the variations within Spain itself.

There is a reporter on Al Jazeera named Teresa Bo, and I am quite
intrigued with the way she pronounces Spanish names: e.g. “Nicolas
Maduro” comes out sounding more like “Nicolah Maluro” (perhaps I
should use the Vietnamese letter, since that’s what it sounds like:
“Mađuro”). Or in “Cuba” the “b” sound turns almost into “w”. I think
she’s from Argentina, but I can’t be sure.

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#76843 — Re: Accents.

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-10-30 23:36 +0100
SubjectRe: Accents.
Message-ID<hr5dtlxh8l.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#76841
On 2025-10-30 23:20, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 21:33:08 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> But sometimes in Spanish movies or serials (and Spanish is my first
>> language) there is a word I don't understand, and I have to rewind
>> and activate the subtitles. It is rare, but it does happen.
> 
> Any language that has been in used in an area for centuries (like
> Spanish) and was also spread around via a worlwide empire at one stage
> (like Spanish) is bound to develop regional variations though, isn’t
> it.

Certainly. But the actors I did not understand were from Spain and the 
action was taking place in Spain. If it were an actor from Mexico, 
Argentina, Peru, I would take that into account and would not be 
surprised by not understanding something.

> 
> Is the Spanish spoken in the Americas very different from Spain? Not
> to mention the variations within Spain itself.

Yes, they are. The local variants I am familiar with, I think.

> 
> There is a reporter on Al Jazeera named Teresa Bo, and I am quite
> intrigued with the way she pronounces Spanish names: e.g. “Nicolas
> Maduro” comes out sounding more like “Nicolah Maluro” (perhaps I
> should use the Vietnamese letter, since that’s what it sounds like:
> “Mađuro”). Or in “Cuba” the “b” sound turns almost into “w”. I think
> she’s from Argentina, but I can’t be sure.

Argentina is certainly special, they have a lot of influence from 
Italian. Mexico has a lot of USA influence, besides their own "flavor" 
:-)  Cuba has some similarity with the accent in the Canary Islands.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#76856 — Re: Accents.

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-10-31 04:51 +0000
SubjectRe: Accents.
Message-ID<10e1f94$7gc2$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#76843
On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 23:36:01 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> On 2025-10-30 23:20, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>> Any language that has been in used in an area for centuries (like
>> Spanish) and was also spread around via a worlwide empire at one stage
>> (like Spanish) is bound to develop regional variations though, isn’t
>> it.
> 
> Certainly. But the actors I did not understand were from Spain and the 
> action was taking place in Spain.

I’m sure there are some quite wide regional variations within there, like 
in English in the UK. There is a saying: “A language is a dialect with an 
army”. Scots (lowland Scots, à la Robbie Burns, not highland Gaelic) would 
have been an entirely separate language from English, if it were not for 
the Scottish king inheriting the English throne. How different is Catalan 
from Spanish? Are there other regional languages/dialects that are maybe 
almost as different? (And then there’s Basque ...)

Even within England, there can be wide variation. I remember watching a TV 
comedy/drama series called “Auf Wiedersehen, Pet”, back in the 1980s, 
during the time when Maggie Thatcher was 🇬🇧 Prime Minister, and whose 
policies had thrown large numbers of Brits out of work. The main 
characters were from around England, plus an Irishman (bricklayers, 
carpenters etc), who got work in West Germany, which was undergoing a 
construction boom at the time. And they had all their different styles of 
regional speech.

Three of them were from north-east England, around Newcastle, aka 
“Geordies”. The first episode, I had to strain to make sense of what they 
were saying -- it was an accent I had never heard before. After that, it 
got a bit easier ...

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#76865 — Re: Accents.

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-10-31 14:48 +0100
SubjectRe: Accents.
Message-ID<raretlxkeo.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#76856
On 2025-10-31 05:51, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 23:36:01 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> On 2025-10-30 23:20, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>> Any language that has been in used in an area for centuries (like
>>> Spanish) and was also spread around via a worlwide empire at one stage
>>> (like Spanish) is bound to develop regional variations though, isn’t
>>> it.
>>
>> Certainly. But the actors I did not understand were from Spain and the
>> action was taking place in Spain.
> 
> I’m sure there are some quite wide regional variations within there, like
> in English in the UK. There is a saying: “A language is a dialect with an
> army”. Scots (lowland Scots, à la Robbie Burns, not highland Gaelic) would
> have been an entirely separate language from English, if it were not for
> the Scottish king inheriting the English throne. How different is Catalan
> from Spanish? Are there other regional languages/dialects that are maybe
> almost as different? (And then there’s Basque ...)

Catalan is different, quite different, but it is a language on its own. 
And there are other regional languages. I can not understand a speaker 
of those languages, just some words.

But I can understand a Spanish speaker born in Cataluña, no problem.

> 
> Even within England, there can be wide variation. I remember watching a TV
> comedy/drama series called “Auf Wiedersehen, Pet”, back in the 1980s,
> during the time when Maggie Thatcher was 🇬🇧 Prime Minister, and whose
> policies had thrown large numbers of Brits out of work. The main
> characters were from around England, plus an Irishman (bricklayers,
> carpenters etc), who got work in West Germany, which was undergoing a
> construction boom at the time. And they had all their different styles of
> regional speech.
> 
> Three of them were from north-east England, around Newcastle, aka
> “Geordies”. The first episode, I had to strain to make sense of what they
> were saying -- it was an accent I had never heard before. After that, it
> got a bit easier ...

A person that learns Spanish as a second language has serious trouble 
understanding a person at Sevilla or Malaga, for instance. The accent is 
quite different. I don't know if it is a dialect or not. But we 
understand them.



-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#76866 — Re: Accents.

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-10-31 15:03 +0000
SubjectRe: Accents.
Message-ID<10e2j40$it2l$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#76865
On 31/10/2025 13:48, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-10-31 05:51, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 23:36:01 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>> On 2025-10-30 23:20, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Any language that has been in used in an area for centuries (like
>>>> Spanish) and was also spread around via a worlwide empire at one stage
>>>> (like Spanish) is bound to develop regional variations though, isn’t
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> Certainly. But the actors I did not understand were from Spain and the
>>> action was taking place in Spain.
>>
>> I’m sure there are some quite wide regional variations within there, like
>> in English in the UK. There is a saying: “A language is a dialect with an
>> army”. Scots (lowland Scots, à la Robbie Burns, not highland Gaelic) 
>> would
>> have been an entirely separate language from English, if it were not for
>> the Scottish king inheriting the English throne. How different is Catalan
>> from Spanish? Are there other regional languages/dialects that are maybe
>> almost as different? (And then there’s Basque ...)
> 
> Catalan is different, quite different, but it is a language on its own. 
> And there are other regional languages. I can not understand a speaker 
> of those languages, just some words.
> 
> But I can understand a Spanish speaker born in Cataluña, no problem.
> 
>>
>> Even within England, there can be wide variation. I remember watching 
>> a TV
>> comedy/drama series called “Auf Wiedersehen, Pet”, back in the 1980s,
>> during the time when Maggie Thatcher was 🇬🇧 Prime Minister, and whose
>> policies had thrown large numbers of Brits out of work. The main
>> characters were from around England, plus an Irishman (bricklayers,
>> carpenters etc), who got work in West Germany, which was undergoing a
>> construction boom at the time. And they had all their different styles of
>> regional speech.
>>
>> Three of them were from north-east England, around Newcastle, aka
>> “Geordies”. The first episode, I had to strain to make sense of what they
>> were saying -- it was an accent I had never heard before. After that, it
>> got a bit easier ...
> 
> A person that learns Spanish as a second language has serious trouble 
> understanding a person at Sevilla or Malaga, for instance. The accent is 
> quite different. I don't know if it is a dialect or not. But we 
> understand them.
> 
> 
It is the same everywhere.  My sister learnt her German in Bavaria and 
is quite dark skinned. People think she is Bavarian though she now lives 
in central Germany.
> 
People with strong accents in England are often hard to understand 
unless you have been around them  a long time, which is why RP - 
essentially the dialect of the home counties near London - was taught as 
a standard all could understand. Sadly socialism decreed this to be 
discriminatory against people with accents.

And there are some very very bad ones. I found one tech support person 
who sounded black and female to be completely unintelligible with some 
sort of elided glottal stopped mush of Estuary English.

-- 
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and 
wrong.

H.L.Mencken

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#76877 — Re: Accents.

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-10-31 20:15 +0000
SubjectRe: Accents.
Message-ID<mmkjmhF3fffU9@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#76866
On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 15:03:27 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> It is the same everywhere.  My sister learnt her German in Bavaria and
> is quite dark skinned. People think she is Bavarian though she now lives
> in central Germany.

Bavaria wasn't all that happy about joining the German Empire. Southwest 
Germany is Catholic and has the Swabian dialect that sets it off. In a way 
it is closer to Austria, a country that a lot of people forget about 
entirely.

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#76901 — Re: Accents.

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-11-01 11:15 +0000
SubjectRe: Accents.
Message-ID<10e4q5a$16v9t$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#76877
On 31/10/2025 20:15, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 15:03:27 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> It is the same everywhere.  My sister learnt her German in Bavaria and
>> is quite dark skinned. People think she is Bavarian though she now lives
>> in central Germany.
> 
> Bavaria wasn't all that happy about joining the German Empire. Southwest
> Germany is Catholic and has the Swabian dialect that sets it off. In a way
> it is closer to Austria, a country that a lot of people forget about
> entirely.

+1.  They still are not so happy.


-- 
Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early 
twenty-first century’s developed world went into hysterical panic over a 
globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and, 
on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer 
projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to 
contemplate a rollback of the industrial age.

Richard Lindzen

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#76926 — Re: Accents.

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2025-11-02 00:39 +0000
SubjectRe: Accents.
Message-ID<mmnnhbFjnd4U6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#76901
On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 11:15:54 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 31/10/2025 20:15, rbowman wrote:
>> On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 15:03:27 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> 
>>> It is the same everywhere.  My sister learnt her German in Bavaria and
>>> is quite dark skinned. People think she is Bavarian though she now
>>> lives in central Germany.
>> 
>> Bavaria wasn't all that happy about joining the German Empire.
>> Southwest Germany is Catholic and has the Swabian dialect that sets it
>> off. In a way it is closer to Austria, a country that a lot of people
>> forget about entirely.
> 
> +1.  They still are not so happy.

Considering a lot of tech is in Baden-Württemberg and Bavaria and the 
Greens in the rest of the country seem adverse to making money it's 
understandable they'd want to toss the anchor overboard. 

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#76886 — Re: Accents.

FromLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Date2025-10-31 23:26 +0000
SubjectRe: Accents.
Message-ID<10e3gim$rpu5$7@dont-email.me>
In reply to#76866
On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 15:03:27 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> People with strong accents in England are often hard to understand
> unless you have been around them a long time, which is why RP -
> essentially the dialect of the home counties near London ...

Funny how that didn’t actually include London itself.

> ... - was taught as a standard all could understand. Sadly socialism
> decreed this to be discriminatory against people with accents.

Perhaps because there is no such thing as “accentless” speech.

There was a lovely “Two Ronnies” sketch, back in the day, that
skewered this issue rather well. They did a lot of playing-on-language
skits, but this one really put paid to the fond delusion that RP was
somehow easier to understand than any other accent ...

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#76909 — Re: Accents.

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2025-11-01 14:44 +0100
SubjectRe: Accents.
Message-ID<fefhtlx1us.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#76886
On 2025-11-01 00:26, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 15:03:27 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> People with strong accents in England are often hard to understand
>> unless you have been around them a long time, which is why RP -
>> essentially the dialect of the home counties near London ...
> 
> Funny how that didn’t actually include London itself.
> 
>> ... - was taught as a standard all could understand. Sadly socialism
>> decreed this to be discriminatory against people with accents.
> 
> Perhaps because there is no such thing as “accentless” speech.
> 
> There was a lovely “Two Ronnies” sketch, back in the day, that
> skewered this issue rather well. They did a lot of playing-on-language
> skits, but this one really put paid to the fond delusion that RP was
> somehow easier to understand than any other accent ...

If the goal is to have English as an universal language, teaching a 
common accent makes a lot of sense.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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#76912 — Re: Accents.

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2025-11-01 14:05 +0000
SubjectRe: Accents.
Message-ID<10e5434$1a84r$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#76909
On 01/11/2025 13:44, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-11-01 00:26, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 15:03:27 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> People with strong accents in England are often hard to understand
>>> unless you have been around them a long time, which is why RP -
>>> essentially the dialect of the home counties near London ...
>>
>> Funny how that didn’t actually include London itself.
>>
>>> ... - was taught as a standard all could understand. Sadly socialism
>>> decreed this to be discriminatory against people with accents.
>>
>> Perhaps because there is no such thing as “accentless” speech.
>>
>> There was a lovely “Two Ronnies” sketch, back in the day, that
>> skewered this issue rather well. They did a lot of playing-on-language
>> skits, but this one really put paid to the fond delusion that RP was
>> somehow easier to understand than any other accent ...
> 
> If the goal is to have English as an universal language, teaching a 
> common accent makes a lot of sense.
> 
RP is clarity of diction to the extent of sounding artificial.

There is a need for a universally understood international language and 
English is the best we have to date.  It's far from perfect especially 
since England abandoned any attempt to standardise grammar, vocabulary 
or pronunciation.

But it is the best we have.


-- 
“People believe certain stories because everyone important tells them, 
and people tell those stories because everyone important believes them. 
Indeed, when a conventional wisdom is at its fullest strength, one’s 
agreement with that conventional wisdom becomes almost a litmus test of 
one’s suitability to be taken seriously.”

Paul Krugman

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