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| Started by | root <NoEMail@home.org> |
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| First post | 2024-11-19 17:09 +0000 |
| Last post | 2024-11-20 18:53 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 842 — 23 participants |
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Joy of this, Joy of that root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2024-11-19 17:09 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-20 00:18 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2024-11-20 02:33 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-20 02:52 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-20 04:46 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-20 03:37 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-20 15:46 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-20 16:03 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-21 02:20 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-21 08:14 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Bozo User <anthk@disroot.org> - 2025-01-14 12:03 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-21 13:41 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> - 2024-11-21 20:19 -0700
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-22 05:51 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-22 23:57 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-23 05:31 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-23 20:23 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-24 02:06 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-24 00:16 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-24 05:14 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-23 11:16 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-23 19:39 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-11-23 13:46 -0700
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-24 14:33 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-23 21:57 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-23 20:17 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-24 05:26 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-24 14:37 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-24 14:39 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-24 17:00 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-24 22:07 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-25 02:12 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-25 10:55 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-25 12:04 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-25 22:20 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-25 23:55 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-26 10:10 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-26 10:24 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-26 13:17 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-11-26 09:15 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-27 09:34 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-26 18:57 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-26 21:58 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-27 01:38 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-27 01:40 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-27 10:10 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-27 11:58 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-27 19:12 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-28 09:18 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-25 21:49 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-27 01:39 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-27 22:13 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-27 22:46 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-28 05:46 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-28 02:56 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-28 08:52 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-29 04:48 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-29 19:32 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-28 21:36 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-29 05:06 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-29 18:06 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-30 00:16 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-30 06:23 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-30 06:53 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-30 09:30 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-30 23:14 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-01 04:19 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-01 11:21 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-12-01 16:27 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-02 23:28 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-01 18:41 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-02 00:37 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-01 20:47 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-02 23:57 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-01 21:27 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-02 23:58 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-03 10:51 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-03 19:30 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-03 19:26 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-05 01:03 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-05 10:25 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-06 01:13 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-06 07:43 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 10:12 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-07 02:30 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-06 22:59 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 11:32 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-12-07 16:15 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 18:39 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-12-07 18:35 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-07 19:57 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:43 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:12 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-12-08 03:02 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 08:09 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-12-08 16:33 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-08 18:19 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-08 19:50 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 11:49 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-08 19:50 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 21:50 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 12:09 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2024-12-08 04:45 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 12:53 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-08 03:05 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 11:26 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 13:49 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-07 10:15 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 16:40 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-07 12:44 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 18:47 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:30 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 18:24 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 18:37 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-07 19:57 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 20:16 +0000
Re: The Joy Of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-07 22:37 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 00:03 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:19 +0100
Re: The Joy Of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-07 22:36 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-06 22:41 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 11:29 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-06 22:40 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-07 04:50 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 10:06 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-06 23:27 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 11:40 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-08 02:05 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 13:39 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-08 19:50 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-09 01:22 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-12-09 15:28 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 15:58 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-12-09 21:53 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:29 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 20:09 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-09 22:23 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 10:09 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:39 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-09 22:15 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-10 04:41 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:50 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 10:07 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-10 19:52 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 22:06 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-12 03:38 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-12 10:49 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-12-13 04:56 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-13 02:20 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-13 08:38 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-13 11:42 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-13 11:41 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-13 11:32 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-13 20:01 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 11:48 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 11:40 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-14 13:15 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 19:09 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-14 18:17 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-13 11:34 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-12-14 05:18 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 13:08 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-14 13:51 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 19:15 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-12-09 11:39 -0800
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 20:22 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 09:52 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-12 03:07 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-12 08:22 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-12-12 08:13 -0800
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-13 01:55 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-13 08:30 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 07:53 -0800
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 11:45 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-13 11:38 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-13 20:14 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 11:53 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-14 11:13 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-14 18:28 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-05 20:49 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-06 23:33 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-07 07:54 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-08 02:44 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-29 21:42 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-30 00:19 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-30 06:22 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-01 03:39 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-01 09:03 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-01 11:08 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-01 20:46 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-12-02 07:13 +1000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-01 23:26 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-02 01:06 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-28 05:52 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-28 02:47 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-11-25 19:39 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-11-26 07:09 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-26 19:31 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 09:02 -0800
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-02 18:55 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-12-02 23:25 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-03 00:59 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-02 23:23 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-03 00:53 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-24 22:06 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-25 08:03 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-25 10:58 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-21 17:25 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-11-20 08:10 -0800
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-20 16:31 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-20 17:54 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-20 19:02 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-20 21:05 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-11-20 23:30 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-20 23:58 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-11-21 01:50 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-21 02:48 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-11-22 20:30 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-21 08:09 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-21 10:45 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-21 23:04 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-21 20:31 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-22 03:54 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-22 01:25 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-22 18:53 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-22 21:04 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-22 10:35 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-22 13:37 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-22 19:30 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-22 21:03 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-23 07:09 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-22 23:07 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-23 00:44 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-23 01:08 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-23 01:41 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-23 08:26 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-23 11:25 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-23 21:36 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-23 23:48 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-24 00:31 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-24 21:19 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-24 22:36 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-24 05:01 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-24 21:29 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-24 22:37 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-25 11:48 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-25 21:47 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-25 01:43 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-25 10:53 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-25 19:42 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-25 23:21 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-25 23:37 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-26 10:09 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-26 19:17 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-26 21:59 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 15:21 -0800
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-02 23:28 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-03 03:46 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-24 19:35 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-25 00:36 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-25 01:41 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-25 06:47 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-25 21:50 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-26 03:00 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-25 10:56 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-25 21:58 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-26 04:03 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-26 10:12 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-27 01:58 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-27 10:12 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-27 19:06 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-27 21:26 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-28 19:59 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-28 21:53 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-27 23:12 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-28 05:54 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-28 02:22 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-28 08:38 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-29 03:18 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-29 13:18 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-30 01:18 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-28 11:04 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-28 18:22 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-28 21:52 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-29 04:24 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-29 13:22 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-29 23:42 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-30 06:25 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-30 09:28 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-30 12:02 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-29 18:39 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-29 23:44 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-29 03:21 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-29 10:29 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-29 13:24 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-29 18:23 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-29 21:01 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-29 22:51 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-30 00:17 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-30 11:52 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-29 22:43 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-30 09:24 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-29 18:53 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-29 22:52 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-30 00:21 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-30 11:53 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-29 23:31 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-30 07:00 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-30 12:05 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-29 13:19 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-29 18:57 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-29 21:04 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-29 22:54 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-30 00:07 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-29 22:53 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-30 00:12 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-30 09:18 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-30 12:06 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-30 18:47 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-30 21:56 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-01 01:15 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-01 11:18 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-01 18:47 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-01 22:11 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 13:19 -0800
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-03 02:21 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-03 10:04 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-03 19:09 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-03 21:24 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-04 01:37 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 11:09 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-04 18:55 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 21:59 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-05 00:35 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-05 10:22 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-05 21:19 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 09:56 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-06 13:46 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 18:24 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 13:25 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 17:51 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-07 02:30 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 11:27 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 13:54 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 18:27 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 18:39 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:20 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 22:40 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 11:54 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-07 18:40 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:23 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 02:44 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 12:06 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 21:23 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-09 10:29 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-09 22:06 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 10:02 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-10 19:41 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 22:03 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-12-08 09:29 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 13:50 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-07 10:18 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 16:41 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-07 12:48 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-07 19:34 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 19:56 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:39 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-08 04:52 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-05 07:55 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-02 11:07 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-02 15:06 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-02 14:27 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-02 21:37 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-03 10:34 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-03 21:16 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-03 20:50 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 10:24 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-04 12:18 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 14:08 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-04 14:29 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 21:49 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-04 00:42 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 10:35 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-04 12:10 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 14:07 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-04 14:25 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 21:47 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-04 12:10 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 14:05 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-04 17:44 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 21:52 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-05 01:18 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-05 10:24 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-01 10:44 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-01 10:42 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-01 18:38 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-01 20:57 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-01 22:15 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-02 02:17 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-02 11:16 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-12-02 07:23 +1000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-02 10:25 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-02 11:17 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-02 11:01 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-02 15:04 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-01 20:40 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-02 11:14 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-02 15:06 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-02 14:28 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-02 21:38 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-03 03:54 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-03 10:39 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-03 19:00 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-03 21:18 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-03 20:53 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-04 00:32 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-04 12:07 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 10:25 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-04 12:20 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-04 17:57 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-04 00:30 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 10:35 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-04 19:13 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 22:01 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-04 11:58 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-02 18:49 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-02 21:40 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-03 02:59 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-03 10:08 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-03 10:45 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-03 18:53 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-03 21:21 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-03 20:55 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-04 00:24 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 10:33 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-04 17:57 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 10:27 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-04 12:21 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 14:09 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-04 14:29 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 21:50 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-05 07:57 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-04 17:50 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 21:53 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-04 00:20 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 10:32 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-03 21:19 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-30 11:52 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-30 18:44 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-30 21:54 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-01 01:09 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-01 03:50 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-01 10:54 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-01 11:15 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-01 10:46 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-01 19:29 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-02 11:09 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-01 10:36 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-01 18:32 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-01 18:49 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-01 22:11 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-01 19:13 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-01 22:14 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-02 01:50 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-02 10:26 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-02 10:27 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-02 15:03 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-02 14:26 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-02 21:36 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2024-12-04 04:03 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 11:10 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-04 12:13 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 14:07 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-04 14:27 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 21:47 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-04 19:02 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 22:00 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-05 01:51 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-05 10:31 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-05 09:36 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-05 13:17 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-06 01:51 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 10:11 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-06 13:41 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 18:23 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-06 19:54 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 21:40 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 13:23 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 17:50 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 18:10 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 22:57 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-07 01:04 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 13:23 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-07 00:55 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-07 08:17 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 11:52 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 14:12 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 11:50 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 14:20 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 18:33 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 18:46 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:29 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-06 01:48 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-06 07:46 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 10:09 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-06 13:31 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 18:18 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 13:22 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 17:50 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-07 18:45 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 19:10 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-07 19:57 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 20:16 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 02:56 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:25 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-06 20:51 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 11:20 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 13:43 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 17:57 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 18:31 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:07 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 22:37 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 11:52 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 01:39 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 11:59 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 21:45 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-09 10:33 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 12:13 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-09 21:41 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-12-09 21:57 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 09:59 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:54 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:32 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-09 22:12 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 10:05 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:56 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:35 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 21:11 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 12:09 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 02:06 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 12:04 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 21:13 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-09 10:26 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 11:56 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-09 21:51 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 09:58 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:54 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 21:14 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-10 19:50 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 22:04 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 23:15 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-11 10:57 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:21 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-07 19:20 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:37 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-07 19:16 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 19:37 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:36 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 03:36 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 12:10 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 22:31 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-09 10:43 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-09 23:15 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 10:20 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-10 19:31 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 22:03 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-11 01:44 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-11 11:03 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-12 01:11 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-12 10:21 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-12 20:08 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-12 21:31 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-13 01:29 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-13 11:13 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-13 20:28 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 11:57 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-14 13:03 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 19:40 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-14 19:57 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-15 12:11 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-15 12:37 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-15 19:28 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-13 10:42 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-13 20:18 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 11:54 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-14 11:18 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 19:02 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-14 18:37 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 23:01 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-14 18:43 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-14 19:59 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-15 00:33 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-15 11:25 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 23:05 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-15 01:04 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-15 11:27 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-14 11:17 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 11:28 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-14 13:14 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 19:07 +0100
Re: Joy of Translation Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-12-11 12:33 +0000
Re: Joy of Translation Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-11 15:16 +0000
Re: Joy of Translation rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-12 01:15 +0000
Re: Joy of Translation Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-12 05:06 +0000
Re: Joy of Translation rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-12 08:24 +0000
Re: Joy of Translation D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-12 10:37 +0100
Re: Joy of Translation rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-12 20:15 +0000
Re: Joy of Translation D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-12 21:33 +0100
Re: Joy of Translation rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-13 01:47 +0000
Re: Joy of Translation D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-13 11:20 +0100
Re: Joy of Translation rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-13 20:50 +0000
Re: Joy of Translation D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 12:00 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:42 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-10 19:58 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 21:12 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-10 22:49 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 12:37 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-09 21:12 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 11:18 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-12-07 19:21 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 19:49 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-07 19:14 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:35 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-06 13:18 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 18:12 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-07 02:41 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 11:52 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 13:00 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 17:45 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-07 18:32 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:09 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-08 00:28 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 12:24 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 17:42 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 17:07 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 22:57 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 22:30 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 11:51 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 11:59 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 17:39 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 16:54 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 22:48 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 22:26 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 11:48 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-08 12:15 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 21:50 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 11:55 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-09 21:39 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-09 21:26 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 22:38 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-09 10:43 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 12:40 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-09 21:44 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-09 21:48 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 09:56 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-08 00:31 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-08 08:13 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-08 12:14 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-08 19:50 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-08 12:11 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-08 21:49 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 11:54 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-09 21:38 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-10 00:19 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-10 15:48 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-09 03:02 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 12:41 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-09 21:47 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-09 12:42 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-09 21:36 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-12-07 02:30 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-07 00:32 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 13:55 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-02 10:20 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-02 15:02 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-03 00:30 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-03 10:13 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-03 10:54 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-03 19:14 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-03 21:25 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-04 01:15 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 10:37 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-04 18:48 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 21:56 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-04 00:44 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 11:12 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-12-04 07:58 -0800
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 21:52 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-05 01:37 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-05 07:16 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2024-12-06 04:02 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-06 05:39 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-05 10:29 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-05 01:28 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-05 07:34 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-06 01:31 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-06 13:09 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-06 20:33 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-07 00:19 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-07 05:37 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 13:30 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-07 19:07 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-06 23:43 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-07 05:29 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 11:43 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 14:07 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 18:30 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 18:43 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 23:25 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-07 14:02 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-04 18:15 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-04 21:55 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-05 01:42 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-05 07:27 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-06 01:40 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-06 08:00 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-05 10:30 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-05 07:50 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2024-12-06 03:29 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-06 05:25 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 10:00 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-06 13:04 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 18:09 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-06 19:49 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 21:39 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-06 21:15 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-07 11:24 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 09:58 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-06 13:47 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-06 18:24 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2024-12-06 17:29 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-01 19:02 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-03 00:20 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-29 22:50 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-29 23:50 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-30 06:39 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-30 09:29 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-30 11:57 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-01 04:11 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-01 11:21 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-01 18:54 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-03 00:10 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-03 19:32 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-12-01 03:54 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-01 11:19 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 12:35 -0800
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-28 11:03 +0100
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-25 02:41 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-25 02:11 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-24 10:25 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-24 21:23 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-25 01:46 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-25 02:41 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-25 09:07 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-25 22:59 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-26 04:43 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-26 05:57 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-26 08:49 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-26 05:29 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 15:43 -0800
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-03 10:47 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-03 19:23 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-25 02:33 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-25 19:54 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-25 23:58 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-23 02:29 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-23 08:52 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-23 11:30 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-23 19:28 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-22 21:02 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-21 19:48 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-21 23:14 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-21 23:50 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-22 01:51 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-22 10:34 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-22 10:45 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-22 12:30 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-22 18:53 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-11-22 20:40 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-23 07:09 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-23 07:44 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-23 09:05 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-23 11:31 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-23 19:16 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-23 21:48 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-23 19:47 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-23 10:16 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-23 11:34 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-23 19:16 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-23 21:45 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-24 12:46 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-24 20:20 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-25 08:57 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-25 21:48 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-26 08:32 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-26 21:22 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-26 21:30 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-26 21:36 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-11-26 17:55 -0700
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-27 01:48 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-27 12:05 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-27 16:33 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-27 17:20 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-27 18:58 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-28 08:35 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-28 09:16 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-28 14:19 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-28 18:19 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-29 10:11 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-27 22:11 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-27 18:32 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-28 09:16 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-29 10:01 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-27 18:51 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-27 04:39 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Louis Krupp <lkrupp@invalid.pssw.com.invalid> - 2024-11-26 22:38 -0700
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-27 09:27 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-27 22:06 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-27 23:59 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-28 00:57 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-23 11:20 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-23 21:38 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-22 20:58 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-23 07:09 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-23 07:45 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-23 19:16 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-23 21:40 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-11-25 04:40 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-25 06:50 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-11-25 18:20 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-23 09:10 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-23 19:16 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-23 20:50 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-11-23 01:28 -0500
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-22 20:55 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-20 21:47 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-11-20 14:09 -0800
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-20 23:39 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-11-21 01:27 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-21 02:16 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-21 04:31 +0000
Re: Joy of this, Joy of that rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-20 18:53 +0000
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-08 21:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lrmil6Faa38U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #61969 |
On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 16:33:14 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote: > You must not have had much experience with helping out 'typical users' > (i.e., often those who "just want to get their job X done on this dang > computer"). No, I do not.
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-08 12:09 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <e21a9685-5fd6-e919-b878-dc11b89eab89@example.net> |
| In reply to | #61926 |
On Sun, 8 Dec 2024, Rich wrote: > D <nospam@example.net> wrote: >> On Sat, 7 Dec 2024, Rich wrote: >> >>>> Ohh... but that is not "raw" in my book. I do that myself on >>>> opensuse and I very seldom use yast. So basically, what you are >>>> saying is that it works like... "linux"? ;) >>> >>> Yes. Slackware is the nearest to just being Linux of all the >>> distros (that install Linux, some of the FreeBSD's may be similar). >>> If your preference is to edit /etc/resolv.conf to adjust your >>> default name server, and edit /etc/init.d to change the default >>> bootup, and so forth, it is more what you may be looking for than >>> the others (all of which add varing levels a "you are an idiot, here >>> let me hold your hand via this custom GUI" system on top). >> >> Sounds great! =) >> >>>> Maybe I should add slackware back to the list then, since what you >>>> are saying just sound exactly like how I like to manage my >>>> machines! =D >>> >>> Tis free to download, and you can install it into a VM if you wish >>> to 'test out' at first (and don't have a spare machine to devote to >>> 'testout'). >>> >>> It also is one of the few left that is systemd free. And instead of >>> the SYSV infinite field of symlinks for init, Slackware uses BSD >>> style rc.d scripts (actual scripts you can edit). The provenance of >>> SYSV sysmlink fields means it also will support those if you want, >>> but the default is actual scripts that execute other scripts. >> >> Oh my... it just keeps getting better and better!! How come it >> hasn't gotten any attention at all?? > > Likely because 99% of the "computer using public" is *lost* without the > "handholding GUI". > >> I've heard about devuan and antix, but how come none of those guys went to >> slckware to escape their systemd problems? > > I can't answer that one. You'd have to ask them. I don't dabble in > either. First installed Slackware back when it was the "new and > improved SLS" (Soft Landing Systems). Have stuck with it since. > >>>> I'm happy I started as early with linux as I did. I teach the >>>> config file way to my students, and am furious when I learned that >>>> the teacher who got the job after me, taught the students how to >>>> manage linux with _only_ the GUI tools. Revolting! Also causing >>>> them to miss out a lot about how the system actually works, and how >>>> it was design to work. =( >>> >>> And that teacher is turning out students, much like the MSCE >>> students, who only "know Ubuntu" (assuming they used Ubuntu) and the >>> "Ubuntu way" and if tossed into a "non Ubuntu" system, become lost, >>> because they really did not learn how things worked behind the >>> "lipstick on a pig GUI". >> >> Yep, this is the sad truth. I, together with 2 colleagues, give a >> cloud course that's after the linux course, and we do hard core >> terminal work in that course. We've discovered that since they have >> a monkey as the linux teacher, we have to start from scratch in that >> course, thus losing valuable time. =( > > Yup. If they learn the handholding GUI, all they know is that exact > handholding GUI. Flip them to a different GUI, or if V3 of that GUI > changes, and they are lost again. > >> I will pray hard, that I manage to get back the linux course next >> autumn. That way I can prepare them properly and teach them what the >> terminal, files, scripting, and text files is all about! =) > > That will reduce the lost time in the 'cloud' course just to bring them > up to speed to begin to operate. True! I have another story from that school. My colleague is currently teaching basics of networking, and he instructed the school to prepare the students laptops with linux, so that he could then install GNS3 for labs. Turned out they forgot, and that their IT admin only knows windows, so she was very angry that she had to work over time figuring out with youtube videos how to install linux on 43 laptops. We lost a week in a 5 week course, and all students unhappy, and of course they blamed the teacher for it, and not the school. =/
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| From | Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-08 04:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnvla92m.2g2.spamtrap42@one.localnet> |
| In reply to | #61899 |
On 2024-12-07, D <nospam@example.net> wrote: > > > ... > > I've heard about devuan and antix, but how come none of those guys went to > slckware to escape their systemd problems? I might not be one of "those guys", but this is my journey as a refugee from systemd: - Based on notes and potentially fallible memory from 2013, I had been on Mageia 2. IIRC, it was the next version of Mageia that switched to systemd. I use RAIDs for main storage. My test VM installed fine, but when I tried to boot the test VM via systemd, it hung for several minutes and then booted into a very broken state. Some stuff (including filesystems) had timed out and not booted, while other stuff (including filesystems) had not. The tools to decipher systemd's binary journal (rather than plain-text logs) were not installed by default. The system was in "I've fallen and can't get up" condition. At that point, I decided I would be one of the last people on the planet to be using something other than systemd on my main machine(s). - I ran Debian 7 from late 2013 to mid-2018. It was great, but then Debian was overcome by the systemd virus, so my journey continued. - I ran Slackware 14.2 from mid-2018 to late 2018. Updates to the kernel were a royal pain, because the tools to generate an initrd with drivers for RAID are not even in IKEA-like state. I got tired of having to troubleshoot the manual initrd generation process on every kernel update. Every time, something else had gone wrong and needed to be figured out and solved. Fatigue set in. - In late 2018, I switched to Devuan ascii, then went to beowulf, then chimaera, and now daedalus. Along the way, I think I tried a couple of other non-systemd distributions. IIRC, one of them was too much like a toy, and another set up hardware in such a way that disks kept detaching and spamming system logs with messages about a disk going offline and being recovered, rinsing, and repeating endlessly. If Devuan continues to be viable, I'll probably stay here for as long as possible. If/when Devuan becomes non-viable, I'll try to find a viable Linux distribution with a variant of BSD as fallback. How's that for a long answer to a short question? :-) -- Robert Riches spamtrap42@jacob21819.net (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-08 12:53 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <4c10e418-823e-6146-5cb0-5edd0d74371a@example.net> |
| In reply to | #61931 |
On Sun, 8 Dec 2024, Robert Riches wrote: > On 2024-12-07, D <nospam@example.net> wrote: >> >> >> ... >> >> I've heard about devuan and antix, but how come none of those guys went to >> slckware to escape their systemd problems? > > I might not be one of "those guys", but this is my journey as a > refugee from systemd: > > - Based on notes and potentially fallible memory from 2013, I had > been on Mageia 2. IIRC, it was the next version of Mageia that > switched to systemd. I use RAIDs for main storage. My test VM > installed fine, but when I tried to boot the test VM via > systemd, it hung for several minutes and then booted into a > very broken state. Some stuff (including filesystems) had > timed out and not booted, while other stuff (including > filesystems) had not. The tools to decipher systemd's binary > journal (rather than plain-text logs) were not installed by > default. The system was in "I've fallen and can't get up" > condition. At that point, I decided I would be one of the last > people on the planet to be using something other than systemd > on my main machine(s). > > - I ran Debian 7 from late 2013 to mid-2018. It was great, but > then Debian was overcome by the systemd virus, so my journey > continued. > > - I ran Slackware 14.2 from mid-2018 to late 2018. Updates to > the kernel were a royal pain, because the tools to generate an > initrd with drivers for RAID are not even in IKEA-like state. > I got tired of having to troubleshoot the manual initrd > generation process on every kernel update. Every time, > something else had gone wrong and needed to be figured out and > solved. Fatigue set in. > > - In late 2018, I switched to Devuan ascii, then went to beowulf, > then chimaera, and now daedalus. > > Along the way, I think I tried a couple of other non-systemd > distributions. IIRC, one of them was too much like a toy, and > another set up hardware in such a way that disks kept detaching > and spamming system logs with messages about a disk going offline > and being recovered, rinsing, and repeating endlessly. > > If Devuan continues to be viable, I'll probably stay here for as > long as possible. If/when Devuan becomes non-viable, I'll try to > find a viable Linux distribution with a variant of BSD as > fallback. > > How's that for a long answer to a short question? :-) Excellent! =) Thank you very much, very interesting to follow your journey! =)
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| From | "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-08 03:05 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <UledndbwTPexzsj6nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #61817 |
On 12/7/24 5:32 AM, D wrote: > > > On Fri, 6 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote: > >> On 12/6/24 9:30 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> On 2024-12-06, D <nospam@example.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, 6 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 01:13:40 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Fedora still seems ok - as far as Fedora is OK. The >>>>>> Manjaro/Endeavour/Arch end is still OK. Never a fan of Slack, >>>>>> but, >>>>>> who knows ...... gotta keep evading suckitude. >>>>> >>>>> Slack was my first distro. Download in pieces and copy to about 40 >>>>> floppies. >>> >>> When I decided to try Linux I went to the local bookstore and browsed >>> the Linux books, comparing all the ones that came with an install CD. >>> I liked Patrick Volkerding's book best, so I wound up starting out >>> with Slackware 3.5. I continued with it for several years (and >>> upgrades), but the lack of a package manager required lots of >>> application builds from source, which grew tiresome. >> >> >> Slack IS very "raw". There's some good, but a lot >> of bad, in that. You kinda have to be an OS fanatic ... >> >> But I'm not 16 anymore. > > Thank you for the review. Then it is not for me. I don't mind _some_ > tinkering to improve things, but like you, I'm not 16 anymore and I have > a business to run, so this I will remove from the list of my opensuse > replacements. The problem with 'tweaks' is that future updates WILL wanna over-write half your hard work. Preventing that is a job unto itself. Anyway, Slack HAS its place - it's just not MY place. >>> I tried several other distros, e.g. Mint and CrunchBang. >>> Ubuntu was very easy to bring up, but when they switched >>> to the Unity desktop in release 10, I decided it was time >>> to move on. I finally settled on Debian. >> >> Well, you COULD get past Unity ... >> >> My biggest objections were the 'services' they kept >> pushing hard - indeed could barely install it anymore >> without signing up (shades of M$ !). They also changed >> and/or moved around a LOT of config stuff for NO real >> gain IMHO. >> >> Deb - WAS the Solid Foundation - but suddenly became >> just another 'Buntu. >> >> So now it's Fedora and Arch derivs. >> >> I've heard GenToo is kinda interesting ... and >> there are always the BSDs. > > I was very impressed with FreeBSD when I tried it out 1 year ago. The > only thing missing for me was that in order to get anything faster that > G-wifi, you had to run a small alpine VM with passthrough, since native > drivers did not exist for FreeBSD. Yep - they're "behind" in those respects. I don't think they even support SAMBA 3, sometimes not SAMBA 2. NFS works, but SAMBA has a LOT more fine-grained options and is much better with M$ workstations attached. Servers with conventional wired networking, just fine so far as it goes. Eval carefully to see if the BSDs do what YOU need with minimal angst. Linux skills are mostly OK with Unix ... but it's not ALL the same. > I tried to run a snapshot version, and faster than G-wifi did work, but > something else was unstable, so I had to leave it for the moment. > > The laptop I tested it on was a (then) 1 year old Asus ExpertBook B5, > and everything except the wifi worked flawlessly. > > The Freebsd handbook was absolutely amazing. The documentation is in my > opinion, far, far ahead of linux. Suse does have some good guides > actually, but I feel BSD is better. The BSDs are very very good - for what they're MEANT for. The docs ARE extensive - almost TOO .....
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-07 11:26 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <d6b08a70-c82f-94be-c900-3815a5ff32be@example.net> |
| In reply to | #61792 |
On Sat, 7 Dec 2024, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2024-12-06, D <nospam@example.net> wrote: > >> On Fri, 6 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 01:13:40 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote: >>> >>>> Fedora still seems ok - as far as Fedora is OK. The >>>> Manjaro/Endeavour/Arch end is still OK. Never a fan of Slack, but, >>>> who knows ...... gotta keep evading suckitude. >>> >>> Slack was my first distro. Download in pieces and copy to about 40 >>> floppies. > > When I decided to try Linux I went to the local bookstore and browsed > the Linux books, comparing all the ones that came with an install CD. > I liked Patrick Volkerding's book best, so I wound up starting out > with Slackware 3.5. I continued with it for several years (and > upgrades), but the lack of a package manager required lots of > application builds from source, which grew tiresome. > > I tried several other distros, e.g. Mint and CrunchBang. > Ubuntu was very easy to bring up, but when they switched > to the Unity desktop in release 10, I decided it was time > to move on. I finally settled on Debian. Same here! At the dawn of time, I bought a slckware double cd in a local computer shop. One cd was the os and the other the package collection. Those were the days! I wondered sometimes, in these days of woke linux projects who are very militant when it comes to non-woke people, if I should try slckware again or move somewhere else. I do like opensuse, but their way of acting towards non-woke people, as reported on by Lunduke, really makes me want to stop supporting them.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-07 13:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vj1joj$33eu5$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61814 |
On 07/12/2024 10:26, D wrote: > do like opensuse, but their way of acting towards non-woke people, as > reported on by Lunduke, really makes me want to stop supporting them. Go woke, go broke. The Marxist termites have been burrowing through the fabric of society on the 'long march through the institutions' since 1967. Now they control them the inevitable collapse towards anarchy or idiocracy begins. Inevitably people who combine into less stupid and idealistic cohesions will take over. Possibly without any evident democracy. Hey ho, Twas ever thus... -- No Apple devices were knowingly used in the preparation of this post.
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2024-12-07 10:15 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vj1oqu$357qm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61832 |
The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
> On 07/12/2024 10:26, D wrote:
>> do like opensuse, but their way of acting towards non-woke people, as
>> reported on by Lunduke, really makes me want to stop supporting them.
>
> Go woke, go broke.
Woke derangement syndrome. Is one deranged for:
1 Completely altering the original, native meaning of the word?
2 Wanting to change now-loaded words used in technical contexts,
such as "master" and "slave"?
3 Whining about item 2?
> The Marxist termites have been burrowing through the fabric of society
> on the 'long march through the institutions' since 1967.
LOL at the "Marxist termites". Wotta drama queen!
> Now they control them the inevitable collapse towards anarchy or
> idiocracy begins.
Are you saying the "go woke go broke" people are anarchists or idiocrats?
> Inevitably people who combine into less stupid and idealistic cohesions
> will take over.
>
> Possibly without any evident democracy. Hey ho, Twas ever thus...
Well, the pendulum does often swing... as in the Edgar Allen Poe story.
--
... one of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that,
lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of
their C programs.
-- Robert Firth
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-07 16:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vj1tq7$36k5b$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61841 |
On 07/12/2024 15:15, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: > The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: > >> On 07/12/2024 10:26, D wrote: >>> do like opensuse, but their way of acting towards non-woke people, as >>> reported on by Lunduke, really makes me want to stop supporting them. >> >> Go woke, go broke. > > Woke derangement syndrome. Is one deranged for: > > 1 Completely altering the original, native meaning of the word? Dunno. Ask a 'gay'. > 2 Wanting to change now-loaded words used in technical contexts, > such as "master" and "slave"? Oh yes, definitely. > 3 Whining about item 2? > No. >> The Marxist termites have been burrowing through the fabric of society >> on the 'long march through the institutions' since 1967. > > LOL at the "Marxist termites". Wotta drama queen! I guess you are one after all. > >> Now they control them the inevitable collapse towards anarchy or >> idiocracy begins. > > Are you saying the "go woke go broke" people are anarchists or idiocrats? Idiocrats *and* anarchists > >> Inevitably people who combine into less stupid and idealistic cohesions >> will take over. >> >> Possibly without any evident democracy. Hey ho, Twas ever thus... > > Well, the pendulum does often swing... as in the Edgar Allen Poe story. > And its the Left who are going to get sliced into bacon. -- "Women actually are capable of being far more than the feminists will let them."
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2024-12-07 12:44 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vj21hr$37hi0$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61845 |
The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: >> LOL at the "Marxist termites". Wotta drama queen! > > I guess you are one after all. You seem to come to conclusions based on little to no evidence. >>> Now they control them the inevitable collapse towards anarchy or >>> idiocracy begins. >> >> Are you saying the "go woke go broke" people are anarchists or idiocrats? > > Idiocrats *and* anarchists Thank you for that admission. > And its the Left who are going to get sliced into bacon. How about centrists like myself? You sure have a way with violent turns of phrase. -- Being a BALD HERO is almost as FESTIVE as a TATTOOED KNOCKWURST.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-07 18:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vj258l$381or$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61861 |
On 07/12/2024 17:44, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: > The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: > >>> LOL at the "Marxist termites". Wotta drama queen! >> >> I guess you are one after all. > > You seem to come to conclusions based on little to no evidence. I think I learnt that from Marxism > >>>> Now they control them the inevitable collapse towards anarchy or >>>> idiocracy begins. >>> >>> Are you saying the "go woke go broke" people are anarchists or idiocrats? >> >> Idiocrats *and* anarchists > > Thank you for that admission. > >> And its the Left who are going to get sliced into bacon. > > How about centrists like myself? > I dount you are a centrist. I suspect you are simply a shade to thee right of Trotsky > You sure have a way with violent turns of phrase. > I learnt it from the Marxists -- "A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight and understanding". Marshall McLuhan
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-07 23:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <c61b05b6-5038-8dbf-1e34-80ddce4ba933@example.net> |
| In reply to | #61874 |
On Sat, 7 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 07/12/2024 17:44, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: >> The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: >> >>>> LOL at the "Marxist termites". Wotta drama queen! >>> >>> I guess you are one after all. >> >> You seem to come to conclusions based on little to no evidence. > I think I learnt that from Marxism > >> >>>>> Now they control them the inevitable collapse towards anarchy or >>>>> idiocracy begins. >>>> >>>> Are you saying the "go woke go broke" people are anarchists or idiocrats? >>> >>> Idiocrats *and* anarchists >> >> Thank you for that admission. >> >>> And its the Left who are going to get sliced into bacon. >> >> How about centrists like myself? >> > I dount you are a centrist. I suspect you are simply a shade to thee right of > Trotsky > >> You sure have a way with violent turns of phrase. >> > > I learnt it from the Marxists > Ahh... Chris... is a total woke socialist. Blocked him ages ago. Don't waste your time arguing with him.
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-07 18:24 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <a12316be-e5b5-2161-ce42-5c7d94ce415d@example.net> |
| In reply to | #61832 |
On Sat, 7 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 07/12/2024 10:26, D wrote: >> do like opensuse, but their way of acting towards non-woke people, as >> reported on by Lunduke, really makes me want to stop supporting them. > > Go woke, go broke. > > The Marxist termites have been burrowing through the fabric of society on the > 'long march through the institutions' since 1967. > > Now they control them the inevitable collapse towards anarchy or idiocracy > begins. > > Inevitably people who combine into less stupid and idealistic cohesions will > take over. > > Possibly without any evident democracy. Hey ho, Twas ever thus... I don't know. By nature I'm very long term optimistic. It would hardly be the first time in human history that we go through some kind of dark age, only to come out of it and eventually pick up speed towards new highs. I think perhaps the future consists of multi-polar, virtual communities, hiding in plain sight. The wokists do their thing, crash a society or two, get thrown out, things start to improve, until the next group comes along, generating an anti-group and so on. Meanwhile, in cyberspace, all the cool kids gather, learn, help each other out. Of course, since we have about 190+ countries or so, some will be more successful than others, and the interesting thing there is if they will be pressured by the failing ones to submit and share their wealth or if they will manage to somehow stay independent. I think the size of them would determine the outcome. Monaco and Liechtenstein have been able to survive longer than some modern european democracies, so it is not impossible, although difficult.
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-07 18:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vj24l6$381or$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61855 |
On 07/12/2024 17:24, D wrote: > It would hardly be the first time in human history that we go through > some kind of dark age, only to come out of it and eventually pick up > speed towards new highs. > > I think perhaps the future consists of multi-polar, virtual communities, > hiding in plain sight. The wokists do their thing, crash a society or > two, get thrown out, things start to improve, until the next group comes > along, generating an anti-group and so on. A quick glance at the 'iron law of oligarchy' is revealing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_law_of_oligarchy > > Meanwhile, in cyberspace, all the cool kids gather, learn, help each > other out. > Or get cancelled because their views represent a threat to the established elites. > Of course, since we have about 190+ countries or so, some will be more > successful than others, and the interesting thing there is if they will > be pressured by the failing ones to submit and share their wealth or if > they will manage to somehow stay independent. I think the size of them > would determine the outcome. Monaco and Liechtenstein have been able to > survive longer than some modern european democracies, so it is not > impossible, although difficult. One of the great reasons I dislike the European Union is precisely because it seeks to impose, by force, a monolithic 'European culture' whereas in times of crisis, the last thing you want is to be on a ship with no watertight doors - if the ship gets holed, down we all go. We don't know the right answers, we have to experiment. And some experiments end in failure. Communism ended in failure. But why then are we so keen to reintroduce it? -- All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is fully understood.
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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-07 19:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <iM15P.18653$xPr6.5649@fx10.iad> |
| In reply to | #61868 |
On 2024-12-07, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > We don't know the right answers, we have to experiment. And some > experiments end in failure. Communism ended in failure. > > But why then are we so keen to reintroduce it? Because democracy is also ending in failure. There's probably a good essay someone could write around the concept of the Final Vote. That's when a democratic society decides to vote away their freedom and install a dictator. -- /~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell. / \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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| From | The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-07 20:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vj2aep$381or$19@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61888 |
On 07/12/2024 19:57, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2024-12-07, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> We don't know the right answers, we have to experiment. And some >> experiments end in failure. Communism ended in failure. >> >> But why then are we so keen to reintroduce it? > > Because democracy is also ending in failure. > > There's probably a good essay someone could write around the concept > of the Final Vote. That's when a democratic society decides to vote > away their freedom and install a dictator. > The Iron law of Oligarchy. Democracy isn't failing so much as elected representatives dislike the insecurity and work to subvert it. -- "Corbyn talks about equality, justice, opportunity, health care, peace, community, compassion, investment, security, housing...." "What kind of person is not interested in those things?" "Jeremy Corbyn?"
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-07 22:37 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: The Joy Of Democracy |
| Message-ID | <vj2in7$3bvh8$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61891 |
On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 20:16:25 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Democracy isn't failing so much as elected representatives dislike the > insecurity and work to subvert it. This is why you have “checks and balances”, one of which is a free press. Last I checked, the USA was about a third of the way down the list of comparative press freedoms.
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-08 00:03 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <15bad3d2-c82a-e69e-11c1-9bbec9af1e53@example.net> |
| In reply to | #61888 |
On Sat, 7 Dec 2024, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2024-12-07, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> We don't know the right answers, we have to experiment. And some >> experiments end in failure. Communism ended in failure. >> >> But why then are we so keen to reintroduce it? > > Because democracy is also ending in failure. > > There's probably a good essay someone could write around the concept > of the Final Vote. That's when a democratic society decides to vote > away their freedom and install a dictator. I would argue that the democracy we have today, is one of the youngest and least tested forms of governance we have. I do not consider it a continuation of greece, but a new, modern, system that drew some inspiration from greece. On the other hand, we all now how well it went for democracy in greece, so that does not bode well for us. The only game changer today is a globally integrated civilization and communication at the speed of thought. I'm not saying that it will affect how things go, but those conditions did not exist back then.
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-12-07 23:19 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <996da98b-4e42-d93d-963e-9f0cb19b6f7b@example.net> |
| In reply to | #61868 |
On Sat, 7 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 07/12/2024 17:24, D wrote: >> It would hardly be the first time in human history that we go through some >> kind of dark age, only to come out of it and eventually pick up speed >> towards new highs. >> >> I think perhaps the future consists of multi-polar, virtual communities, >> hiding in plain sight. The wokists do their thing, crash a society or two, >> get thrown out, things start to improve, until the next group comes along, >> generating an anti-group and so on. > > A quick glance at the 'iron law of oligarchy' is revealing. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_law_of_oligarchy Thank you, very interesting. I think in todays world, if you widen the concept of oligarchy to mean the "political class" is not far off the mark. We have politicians who have never been anything else, and the political office sometimes (or the job at least) is going from father to son for generations. I have often suggested that democracy should be reformed, so that you are only allowed one term of office in the public sector, and that's it. In addition to that, the salary of the job should be the average of the country, and should have as a requirement to speak english and have an academic degree. The idea is to rule out stupid people, to stop people from accumulating a network and power base from hanging around the public sector for decades, and to ban people who are in it for the money. I also like the greek way of assigning offices by lottery, and (if we insist on taxes) that only people who pay into the system, have any say about the system. I predict that no current politician would ever dream of changing the system in that way. ;) >> >> Meanwhile, in cyberspace, all the cool kids gather, learn, help each other >> out. >> > Or get cancelled because their views represent a threat to the established > elites. Ohh... you are talking about the internet! I'm talking about the freenet! ;) Jokes aside, the regular internet is more or less dead, and is just a tool for crowd control. I find it fascinating that small slivers of freedom exist such as usenet, mastodon and private mailinglists and chat servers. >> Of course, since we have about 190+ countries or so, some will be more >> successful than others, and the interesting thing there is if they will be >> pressured by the failing ones to submit and share their wealth or if they >> will manage to somehow stay independent. I think the size of them would >> determine the outcome. Monaco and Liechtenstein have been able to survive >> longer than some modern european democracies, so it is not impossible, >> although difficult. > > One of the great reasons I dislike the European Union is precisely because it > seeks to impose, by force, a monolithic 'European culture' whereas in times > of crisis, the last thing you want is to be on a ship with no watertight > doors - if the ship gets holed, down we all go. This is true! Let a 100 governance system blossom, and let's see which ones are successful. My bet is on the market being the most ingenious and best system of managing scarce resources, ever invented. So far, it seems to be in the lead. ;) > We don't know the right answers, we have to experiment. And some experiments > end in failure. Communism ended in failure. > > But why then are we so keen to reintroduce it? Don't ask me. It is one of the tragedies of our current day and age. Maybe Milei will manage to pull a miracle out of Argentina and show the world what it has forgotten? That markets and liberty works.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-07 22:36 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: The Joy Of Democracy |
| Message-ID | <vj2il9$3bvh8$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61868 |
On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 18:37:26 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > We don't know the right answers, we have to experiment. And some > experiments end in failure. Communism ended in failure. Communism + Democracy might add up to something different. Case in point: after all the woes it has been suffering the past several years, Sri Lanka recently voted in a Marxist-Leninist President. He took a chance and called a snap Parliamentary election, and his party now has the majority of seats.
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