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Re: OT: Israel and Palestine

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From "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
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Subject Re: OT: Israel and Palestine
Date Sat, 18 Oct 2025 22:47:10 +0200
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On 2025-10-18 21:34, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Oct 2025 17:39:51 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> 
>> On 2025-10-18, Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>
>>> And to think ..... All these troubles stem from, what, 3,000+ years
>>> ago,
>>> when Moses and his people left/fled Egypt and, 40 years later, occupied
>>> a piece of Ground that was, supposedly, uninhabited. ;-P
>>
>> Years ago I set out on a project to read the Bible from cover to cover.
>> I bogged down around I Kings - all the violence became too depressing.
>> But I did get to the part where the Israelites crossed over Jordan,
>> found that the land was not uninhabited, and went nuts - looting,
>> pillaging, and worse.

I also tried to read it once end to end, long ago. I stopped at a boring 
part, I think it was like a list of laws.


>>
>> And nowadays they're still taking that as a role model.
> 
> That's about where I stopped. Somehow my reading of Exodus wasn't the same
> as the way it's usually presented. Joseph's brothers sell him into slavery
> in Egypt. With some mumbo jumbo he winds up being the shadow government.
> He writes home to tell his brothers and their friends that the pickings
> are good, come on down. They then corner the grain market and confiscate
> the farmers' output for a government relief program. The taxation
> bankrupts the farmers. During a lean period Joe and the boys sell their
> grain back to them at a premium.
> 
> Finally the pharoah kicks off and the Egyptians realize what a screwing
> they've gotten and are a bit miffed. God arranges a plague or two to put
> the deplorables in their place. That really sets them off so Joe and his
> tribe steal everything that isn't nailed down and decamp to greener
> pastures.
> 
> They find a new place that their tribal god says is all theirs so they
> kill off the people living there. In one of the later ethnic cleansing
> events the tribal god is pissed. 'What's with the fucking goats? When I
> said kill them all, I meant all. Men, women, children. pussy cats, and the
> frigging livestock.'

This is a different read than the usual interpretation :-)

> 
> I've read the sacred writings of many different religions. Maybe some of
> them got a leg up by deceit and genocide but they generally leave that
> part out, not write it down and take pride in it.
> 


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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