Re: uefi malware--threat to all?

Subject	Re: uefi malware--threat to all?
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
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From	"28C.I874" <28C.I874@noabgba.net>
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Date	2023-03-08 20:35 -0500
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On 3/8/23 1:48 AM, David W. Hodgins wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Mar 2023 01:29:58 -0500, 28B.I874 <28B.I874@noabzba.net> wrote:
>>    You don't seem to get it  ... severe Linux lock-outs by
>>    MB makers means NO LINUX/BSD for any and all effective
>>    purposes.
>>
>>    These systems may be "free" but they are NOT intended to
>>    be "hobby" systems, they are meant to DO WORK, people
>>    volunteer to put in LOTS of effort. If that is removed then
>>    nobody but nobody will bother to contribute anymore.
>>    Why waste the effort ? It'd be like spending lots of
>>    time writing CP/M apps .......
> 
> Even m$ needs linux now, as their own software is not secure enough for
> their servers.

   No ... they'll do (or have done) like Apple and buy some
   brand-x Unix and dress it up so it looks & feels like Winders.
   THEN they'll crush Linux/Unix ....

   Anti-trust ? Forget it ! Gates, like Jobs, learned early
   on to GREASE his politicians.

   Linus doesn't/can't.

>>> Market share doesn't matter for the non-commercial distributions.
>>
>>    Yes, it does - indirectly. Contributors DO like to think
>>    their efforts are being USEFUL in the larger sense. If
>>    that ceases their INTEREST ceases as well. It's a
>>    psychological thing.
> 
> That's why I include the friends and family of linux contributors. The
> people they care about. Those are the only users who truly matter to the
> contributors (as well as themselves of course). I agree people need to
> feel their work is appreciated, but it doesn't necessarily have to be by
> the general public.

   Write lots of CP/M apps ? What happened to that "circle of
   contributors" ? Something better/easier came along and ...

   If efforts are not "appreciated by the public", or at least
   mainstream professionals, then efforts will CEASE. This is
   how it works. Nobody is trying to impress their friends by
   writing a yet-better PacMan for the Radio Shack Color Computer.
   The first computer I learned anything on was a PDP-11. There
   IS a fairly decent emulator - and a Unix and some apps you
   can load on it. I don't.

   The idea that you're somehow "contributing to the future"
   is a powerful, compelling, thing. Linux as a mere "hobby
   system you can only run on 25-year old hardware" just
   does not sound like "the future", not something to waste
   your time on.

   SO - let's figure out how to be pro-active ... ways to
   keep Linux and hardware to run it fresh and relevant.

>>> For the
>>> commercial distributions they only need enough companies or people
>>> willing to
>>> pay for their support services to keep their shareholders satisfied 
>>> and the
>>> bills/staff paid. Anything beyond that is just extra money for the
>>> shareholders,
>>> or employees who's pay depends on revenue.
>> 
>>    "Commercial" is less of a thing - for the elite few.
>>
>>    Now that IBM has absorbed RHEL, well, RHEL will likely
>>    survive ... but increasingly for JUST the wealthy corps
>>    running Big Iron.
> 
> They find it useful to have people test the software they produce before
> the issue it or updates for it to their staff. That's why Fedora exists.

   The fewer the alternatives, the more you can charge for what
   remains. They'll hire professional testers ... or, now, get
   an AI to go over it all.

   Hate to be such a downer ... but I've seen many flashes
   in the proverbial pan. Linux has flashed-up a bit longer
   than most, but that doesn't mean it can't die out - esp
   when big money players profit by destroying or assimilating
   it. See what IBM did with RedHat and take note. Next up
   will be Debian ... then the rest.

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uefi malware--threat to all? pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2023-03-06 18:13 +0000
  Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-06 19:14 +0000
  Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-03-06 21:07 +0100
    Re: uefi malware--threat to all? pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2023-03-07 00:36 +0000
      Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "28B.I874" <28B.I874@noabzba.net> - 2023-03-06 20:10 -0500
      Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2023-03-06 17:11 -0800
        Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "28B.I874" <28B.I874@noabzba.net> - 2023-03-07 00:46 -0500
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                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-03-21 11:52 +0100
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        Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-03-07 09:07 +0100
          Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2023-03-07 13:00 -0500
            Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-03-07 19:09 +0100
              Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2023-03-07 14:56 -0500
          Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-03-07 19:09 +0100
            Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "28B.I874" <28B.I874@noabzba.net> - 2023-03-07 21:39 -0500
              Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2023-03-07 22:35 -0500
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "28B.I874" <28B.I874@noabzba.net> - 2023-03-08 01:29 -0500
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2023-03-08 01:48 -0500
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "28C.I874" <28C.I874@noabgba.net> - 2023-03-08 20:35 -0500
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