Re: uefi malware--threat to all?

Subject	Re: uefi malware--threat to all?
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From	"29V.X746" <29V.X746@noqb1u.net>
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Date	2023-03-17 21:55 -0400
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On 3/17/23 7:56 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 17/03/2023 10:20, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>>
>> I have a certain hatred of Adobe.
>>
> 
> There are two things that ought never to have been invented, at least 
> the way they are today.
> 
> One is PostScript, and the other is X-windows.
> Both are designed by academics for theoretical perfection and 
> completeness and both are utterly inaccessible without a shelf of 
> manuals and 5 years studying them to actually get working.
> Remember the Apple Laserwriter that needed a bigger CPU and more RAM 
> than the  computer that drove it, just to interpret PostScript?
> Or X-windows implementations that used up more RAM than most Unix 
> systems had, in order to run? And was dog slow
> 
> Both work not because of, but *despite* their design.
> 
> Like Systemd.
> 
> Oh and while on THAT subject does anyone know why again on a wifi 
> equipped Laptop it is still trying to mount NFS files noted in fstab 
> before the wifi has come up?

   Yea ... sometimes there's too much egg-headding ....
   keeps the academics happy, think they're doing
   something important kinda like the pointy-haired
   bosses in their endless meetings about what other
   meetings they should have and come out feeling
   they've accomplished important things.

   OTOH, some of the early attempts at windowing systems
   were un-scalable hacks only good for one exact task
   in whatever exact system.

   Both are no good.

   Unix itself was a semi-academic exercise ... somebody
   put some thought into it, envisioned something that
   could be usable at any scale. Same goes for some of
   those old mainframe/mini OS's. Just writing one-off
   assembler pgms, kinda like you'd do with an Arduino,
   did yield superior performance, but more "abstraction"
   yields the better, more lasting, more portable, more
   powerful "experience".

   And I still pick X over Wayland because, messy as it
   is, there's a LOT more documentation and how-to's.
   It's also more compatible with more drivers across
   more archetectures ...

   Now if you want the real BAD about Linux/Unix, I've been
   experiencing it over the past few days trying to get a
   certain set of utilities running on the bleeding-edge
   versions of Deb and Buntu. The software base hasn't
   caught up yet. Had to go to BookWorm beta to get one
   thing to work, had to go to 22.04+ buntus to get another
   thing to work - but neither will run ALL the stuff
   properly because of the damned VERSIONS PROBLEM.
   "Sorry, this requires libXYZ > 58.04 and you have
   59.01" and you can't put 58.x back in there because
   it trashes 500 other things and has a gigantic tree
   of dependencies with giant trees of more dependencies.

   Monday I'm probably going back to 20.04 or Buster where
   EVERYTHING worked. Winders will run OLD OLD programs
   just fine. They did SOMETHING right that has escaped
   the -IX "recompile everything from scratch when you
   install" world entirely.

   And that's MY peeve of the day.

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uefi malware--threat to all? pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2023-03-06 18:13 +0000
  Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-06 19:14 +0000
  Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-03-06 21:07 +0100
    Re: uefi malware--threat to all? pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2023-03-07 00:36 +0000
      Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "28B.I874" <28B.I874@noabzba.net> - 2023-03-06 20:10 -0500
      Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2023-03-06 17:11 -0800
        Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "28B.I874" <28B.I874@noabzba.net> - 2023-03-07 00:46 -0500
        Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-03-07 08:42 +0100
          Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2023-03-07 08:01 -0800
            Re: uefi malware--threat to all? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-07 16:49 +0000
            Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-03-07 19:08 +0100
              Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2023-03-07 21:33 -0800
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "28B.A864" <28B.A864@noqbgba.net> - 2023-03-16 01:24 -0400
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-16 09:59 +0000
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2023-03-16 15:18 -0400
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-03-16 21:05 +0100
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2023-03-16 21:06 +0000
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "29V.X746" <29V.X746@noqb1u.net> - 2023-03-16 22:43 -0400
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-03-17 11:20 +0100
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-17 11:56 +0000
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2023-03-17 15:00 -0400
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-03-17 22:57 +0100
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "29V.X746" <29V.X746@noqb1u.net> - 2023-03-17 22:03 -0400
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-18 09:55 +0000
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "29V.X746" <29V.X746@noqb1u.net> - 2023-03-17 21:55 -0400
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2023-03-19 04:13 +0000
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "29V.X746" <29V.X746@noqb1u.net> - 2023-03-19 02:38 -0400
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-03-19 11:40 +0100
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> - 2023-03-19 13:12 -0700
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "29V.X746" <29V.X746@noqb1u.net> - 2023-03-20 01:05 -0400
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2023-03-21 03:09 +0000
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-20 20:27 +0000
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "29V.X746" <29V.X746@noqb1u.net> - 2023-03-20 21:48 -0400
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-17 11:47 +0000
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2023-03-17 12:36 -0400
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-17 11:46 +0000
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2023-03-17 12:44 -0400
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-03-16 22:14 +0100
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2023-03-17 13:09 -0400
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-03-17 23:35 +0100
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-17 11:39 +0000
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2023-03-21 02:03 +0000
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "29V.X746" <29V.X746@noqb1u.net> - 2023-03-21 01:13 -0400
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-21 09:00 +0000
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-03-21 11:52 +0100
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-03-21 11:52 +0100
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2023-03-21 10:30 -0400
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2023-03-21 15:43 +0000
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2023-03-21 12:29 -0400
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2023-03-21 17:46 +0000
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                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "27E.G756" <27E.G756@noq24u.net> - 2023-03-26 20:26 -0400
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-03-27 02:37 +0200
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "27E.G756" <27E.G756@noq24u.net> - 2023-03-26 23:11 -0400
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-03-27 11:45 +0200
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "27E.G756" <27E.G756@noq24u.net> - 2023-03-28 01:09 -0400
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                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "27E.G756" <27E.G756@noq24u.net> - 2023-03-28 01:16 -0400
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-03-21 08:28 +0100
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2023-03-21 10:22 -0400
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-03-21 15:54 +0100
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2023-03-21 18:25 +0000
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-03-21 21:20 +0100
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "27E.G756" <27E.G756@noq24u.net> - 2023-03-26 23:25 -0400
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-03-27 11:47 +0200
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "27E.G756" <27E.G756@noq24u.net> - 2023-03-28 23:01 -0400
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2023-03-29 16:43 +1000
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                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2023-03-21 10:46 -0400
        Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-03-07 09:07 +0100
          Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2023-03-07 13:00 -0500
            Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-03-07 19:09 +0100
              Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2023-03-07 14:56 -0500
          Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-03-07 19:09 +0100
            Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "28B.I874" <28B.I874@noabzba.net> - 2023-03-07 21:39 -0500
              Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2023-03-07 22:35 -0500
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "28B.I874" <28B.I874@noabzba.net> - 2023-03-08 01:29 -0500
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2023-03-08 01:48 -0500
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "28C.I874" <28C.I874@noabgba.net> - 2023-03-08 20:35 -0500
              Re: uefi malware--threat to all? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-08 07:57 +0000
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-08 08:59 +0000
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-08 10:15 +0000
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-08 15:14 +0000
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2023-03-08 16:06 +0000
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2023-03-08 16:59 +0000
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-08 17:55 +0000
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-08 17:59 +0000
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-03-08 20:33 +0100
                Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2023-03-08 22:35 +0000
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      Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-03-07 08:40 +0100
  Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "Andrei Z." <no-email@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-07 18:11 +0300
    Re: uefi malware--threat to all? pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> - 2023-03-07 20:44 +0000
      Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2023-03-07 16:32 -0500
        Re: uefi malware--threat to all? Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-03-21 08:27 +0100
      Re: uefi malware--threat to all? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-07 21:38 +0000
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        Re: uefi malware--threat to all? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-03-08 12:00 +0100
          Re: uefi malware--threat to all? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-08 11:06 +0000
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