Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters

From	Rich <rich@example.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters
Date	2026-05-12 13:52 +0000
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c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
> On 5/11/26 18:47, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 May 2026 20:12:03 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
>> 
>>> Leroy H wrote:
>>>
>>>> Doesn't anyone build their own kernel anymore?
> 
>   NO. It shouldn't BE like that anymore !!!
> 
>>> I haven't built built one since I stopped needing to build one for
>>> Xen reasons, or Intel wifi driver reasons.
>> 
>> Doesn’t anybody order from a menu at a restaurant any more?
> 
>   You might have to TALK to someone !!!
> 
>> Is that proof of some kind of techno-smarts? Because building a Linux
>> kernel is just the same: making selections from a menu. Only the
>> finished product arrives a bit faster.
> 
>   Linux kernels have become WAY too big broad and deep
>   at this point. 99.999% are NOT gonna make custom-built
>   versions.
> 
>   Look, great if you CAN or WANT TO ... but after so
>   many years most of us simply want Something That Just
>   Works.

I used to build my own kernels, but this was back in the days of 
systems with 512MB of total RAM and i586 class CPU's running at 
150-200Mhz.  Back in those days it /felt/ like there was a speedup by 
building the kernel against the specific CPU one had in one's box, and 
with the 512MB RAM days, there *was* a benefit of stripping out drivers 
that one did not use, as a smaller kernel left more RAM available for 
one's applications.

But somewhere along the path from i586 class CPU's to i3/i5/i7 class 
CPU's, and 512MB ram to 24G RAM it became a case where the performance 
increase from "build with CPU optimizations for a speific CPU" and 
"Kernel is smaller" was no longer noticable.  The standard kernel 
Slackware built felt just as fast as the custom built kernel, and the 
difference in memory usage was a tiny sliver of the total, so it wasn't 
worth it to continue.  So somewhere around the "Pentium 3" to Core era 
I quit compiling custom kernels for myself as I no longer felt like I 
could detect the benefits from doing so.

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  Re: The Stupidification of GNU/Linux Users The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-11 20:10 +0100
    Re: The Stupidification of GNU/Linux Users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-05-12 18:11 +0200
      Re: The Stupidification of GNU/Linux Users The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:38 +0100
  Re: The Stupidification of GNU/Linux Users Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-05-11 20:12 +0100
    Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-11 22:47 +0000
      Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 22:42 -0400
        Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-12 13:52 +0000
          Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-12 17:49 +0100
            Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-12 22:00 +0000
              Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 04:47 +0000
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:43 +0100
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 17:40 +0000
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-13 14:41 +0000
              Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:56 +0200
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:56 +0100
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-13 14:52 +0000
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-13 22:24 +0200
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 10:34 +0100
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-13 14:48 +0000
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-13 22:25 +0200
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-15 20:51 +0000
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-14 10:00 +1000
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 10:00 +0100
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 10:45 +0100
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 11:25 +0100
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 11:38 +0100
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 12:28 +0100
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 12:40 +0100
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 18:06 +0100
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-14 23:46 +0000
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-15 20:41 +0000
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-16 08:49 +0100
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-16 09:51 +0000
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-16 11:44 +0100
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 11:16 +0100
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-15 09:19 +1000
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-15 12:23 +0100
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 10:42 +0100
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-14 01:12 +0000
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 10:09 +0100
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-14 12:54 +0200
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-14 17:52 +0000
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-14 22:50 +0200
          Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 18:55 +0200
          Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 22:19 +0000
            Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-13 14:56 +0000
              Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-13 17:45 +0000
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 18:50 +0100
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-13 19:09 +0000
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-13 22:34 +0200
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-05-13 21:34 +0000
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-13 19:06 +0000
  Re: The Stupidification of GNU/Linux Users Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-11 21:41 +0000
  Re: The Stupidification of GNU/Linux Users Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2026-05-11 14:59 -0700
  Re: The Stupidification of GNU/Linux Users rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 03:53 +0000
    Re: The Stupidification of GNU/Linux Users c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-12 00:39 -0400
      Re: The Stupidification of GNU/Linux Users rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 23:02 +0000
        Re: The Stupidification of GNU/Linux Users c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-12 20:49 -0400
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  Re: The Stupidification of GNU/Linux Users Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-15 21:04 +0000
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        Re: The Stupidification of GNU/Linux Users Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-16 18:40 +0000
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        Re: The Stupidification of GNU/Linux Users "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-16 23:07 +0200
      Re: The Stupidification of GNU/Linux Users Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-16 22:33 +0000
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      Re: The Stupidification of GNU/Linux Users Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-16 18:39 +0000
        Re: The Stupidification of GNU/Linux Users "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-16 22:10 +0200
          Re: The Stupidification of systemd Haters Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-17 04:21 +0000
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        Re: The Stupidification of GNU/Linux Users Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-17 13:37 +0100
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