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Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters

From "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc
Subject Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters
Date 2026-05-14 22:50 +0200
Organization Tebibyte_Retro_Gaming
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On 2026-05-14 19:52, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 14 May 2026 12:54:48 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
> 
>> I am thinking now of an applet in XFCE 4 called "multiload ng". I think
>> it comes from an old gnome one. Well, the thing is it can graph
>> processor load as "User, System, Nice, or I/O wait". Kernel load would
>> be "System". But maybe other things are also "System". Maybe libc?
> 
> I had to install it on openSUSE with
> 
> sudo zypper install sysstat
> sudo systemctl enable sysstat
> sudo systemctl enable sysstat
> 
> There are a bunch of flags described in the man page but
> 
> sar
> Linux 6.17.0-23-generic (kropotkin)     05/14/2026      _x86_64_        (8 CPU)
> 
> 12:00:15 AM     CPU     %user     %nice   %system   %iowait    %steal     %idle
> 12:10:18 AM     all      0.48      0.00      0.48      0.04      0.00     99.00
> 12:20:05 AM     all      0.50      0.08      0.51      0.07      0.00     98.84
> 12:30:03 AM     all      0.48      0.00      0.47      0.05      0.00     99.00
> 12:40:01 AM     all      0.49      0.00      0.49      0.06      0.00     98.96
> 12:50:01 AM     all      0.47      0.00      0.47      0.05      0.00     99.00
> 01:00:14 AM     all      0.49      0.00      0.48      0.06      0.00     98.98
> 
> That's cumulative but 'sar -u 2 10' will report every 2 seconds for 10 times.
> 
> The docs say 'system' means kernel.  you also get iostat and pidstat. pidstat is useful to see who is dipping into the kernel.

"multiload ng" is a GUI tool, but considering that all apps drink from 
the same sources for their data, %system must be kernel on all tools. 
Then libc must be userland.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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    Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-11 22:47 +0000
      Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-05-11 22:42 -0400
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                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:43 +0100
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                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-13 14:41 +0000
              Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:56 +0200
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 12:56 +0100
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-13 14:52 +0000
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-13 22:24 +0200
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 10:34 +0100
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-13 14:48 +0000
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-13 22:25 +0200
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-15 20:51 +0000
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                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 10:45 +0100
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                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 12:40 +0100
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 18:06 +0100
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-14 23:46 +0000
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2026-05-15 20:41 +0000
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 11:16 +0100
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-05-15 09:19 +1000
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-15 12:23 +0100
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 10:42 +0100
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-14 01:12 +0000
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-14 10:09 +0100
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-14 12:54 +0200
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-14 17:52 +0000
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-14 22:50 +0200
          Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-05-12 18:55 +0200
          Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-05-12 22:19 +0000
            Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-13 14:56 +0000
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                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-13 18:50 +0100
                Re: The Stupidification Of systemd Haters Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2026-05-13 19:09 +0000
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