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Re: Announcing Mecrisp-Stellaris - a native code ARM-Cortex implementation

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On 2013-07-10, Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> wrote:
> In article <krh3u0$nbj$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
> Bill Richards  <billrich@gmx.com> wrote:
>>On 2013-07-09, Matthias Koch <matthias.koch@hot.uni-hannover.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> All versions of the MPE ARM/Cortex cross compiler support Cortex-M0
>>>> as well as M3/4.
>>>
>>> Do you have an assembler or disassembler you want to share under GPL ?
>>
>>Please, if you want to share code use the MIT or BSD licenses. If you don't
>>want to share it use binaries. There's no place for social activism in
>>software. Most of us are tired of the marxist games. Politics should not be
>>part of the software business. Linux and the GPL have already created a
>>rift in the open source world that wasn't there before and this isn't a good
>>thing. Not for anyone.
>
> That GNU and GPL, resulting in Linux is a bad thing for mankind is an
> opinion of yours that you'll have a hard time to backup.

Don't try to twist my words. Scroll up. I said Linux and the GPL have already
created a rift in the open source world that wasn't there before and this
isn't a good thing. It's not. Politics, power mongering, false religion and
divisiveness are never good. Linux itself has done a lot of good but none of
that is because of GPL and very little of it is because of Stallman. Think
of how much further along and better Linux would be today without the GPL
and Stallman! Staggering...

You'll have a hard time impugning the reality that there was never a time in
history when communism produced anything but hot air and serfs, poverty, and
usually quite a lot of loyal dead people. It's puzzling to see so many
otherwise intelligent people totally lose it and subjugate themselves to
Marxism clothed in software development.  You're totally lost! What would
make a grown man surrender his life and genuflect to a smelly, uncouth,
unkempt nutcase? Do you have his picture hanging in your parlor? Don't
answer that...

> Software is at the moment at the very heart of economic endeavor, and hence
> of class struggle. You can please all you want, but that will not keep
> me from using the GPL. The effect you regret is exact the effect I
> want to accomplish.

It's all pretty clear in Stallman's lunatic "Free Software Manifesto". He's
a communist and a nut and running after him makes your actions and motivations
extremely suspect. His goal is to make writing software for a living a thing
of the past. Is that your goal also? Else I didn't understand what you meant.

>
> By the by, it is stupid for a company to use a BSD license as they have no
> legal recourse if their products are being hijacked. With the GPL they
> guarantee a level playing field, ideal for those that provide the best
> best service.

Really? You'll have a hard time explaining this to one of the world's
biggest companies, Apple, since they use FreeBSD for their core OS. Millions
of other devices ship with various BSD pieces. Companies prefer that because
they don't have to ship source. Sometimes they contribute, sometimes
not. That's life. Nobody's forcing you to give anything away. If you give
something away, give it away honorably like Mr. Pelc and Ms. Rather have
done. There's no practical side to the GPL games. It's all politics.

What's really hard to understand is how people who claim to love freedom so
much (not that any of the demented communist groupies understand what that
word really means) are so violently, so vociferously opposed to companies
and people using free software licenses. Why do you find it so infuriating
and intolerable that somebody might actually want to contribute something
with no strings attached? Don't they have the right to do that? Why does
that anger you so? Why do you always try to talk about products being
highjacked or enhanced or modified without the source being given back as if
it violates the rights of the company or person who wrote it and published
it under a free software license? Did they not know this was possible at the
time they published it under a free software license? Do you know what's
better for us than we do for ourselves? That's communism alright! You've
perverted the definitions of freedom and ownership to where the gimme gimme
gimme minions can't tell the difference. When somebody creates something,
anything, it's their right to give it away or not. The FSF tries to create a
social climate where that freedom of choice is taken away from people by
constantly agitating against free software licenses.

The GPL was never about a level playing field. It's simply a viral, forcible
open source license (not a free software license) with the explicit purpose
of eliminating closed source and programming as a job. Neither of those
things will happen.

>
>>
>>Both Mr. Pelc and Ms. Rather have businesses and have made various versions
>>of their excellent products available without having to resort to the GPL. I
>>sincerely hope things stay that way. Very sincere thanks to both of you!
>
> Stalman has pointed out on numerous occasions that the GPL doesn't stand in
> the way of doing business.

Who cares what your god says? Is that considered proof of anything? I remain unconvinced.

That's not the point anyway. The world's companies have been fine since
the beginning without the GPL and they'll continue to be fine without
contaminating their products with it. I've written software for sale since
the 1970s until this day and I've not used one line of GPL anything and I've
not published one line of GPL anything. GPL is simply irrelevant outside
Linux and its FSF groupies and it's becoming more and more irrelevant as it's
polarized Linux vs. free OS such as the BSD family, etc. The GPL has hurt
free software by polluting the concept of freedom and removing true freedoms
through social activism.

The businesses that do use GPL claim to sell support and give the software
away. Yet people are unable to get copies of anything without paying for a
support contract. Odd, that. More interestingly there is one quite large
vendor whose initial work was fully U.S. taxpayer funded and now people have
to pay again for it. If they knew there might be some interesting
lawsuits. The whole thing seems very dishonest to me. But the GPL was always
about lies and damn lies and never about software. And I'm a simple man and
I value decency and honesty and straight dealing. None of that is on the
table when it comes to the GPL or its religious adherents.


> In fact there are good examples of businesses in
> the Benelux cooperating on software that is not their core business.
> In this way they prevent their companies paying tribute to the likes of
> Microsoft and patent trolls for using software that is in fact community
> generated and should be community owned.

That's a very sad Freudian reaction that always afflicts Stallman's
minions. It always comes back to Microsoft bashing. Don't get me wrong, I
fully support that but not for communist reasons. It's simply because they
put out trash not because they don't open source their code. It's their
right to keep what they produce and sell it and do whatever they wish with
it. I think we can all agree what *we* would like them to do with it but
that's another issue entirely!

The GPL is quite the evil virus and only a sick and brilliant mind like
Stallman's could have invented it, and only serfs who need a cause celebre
or worse a false religion could support it so violently. If you want to guarantee
your source stays open all you have to do is state that in writing. You really ought
not to "give" something to people on the condition they do what you want. If
you write a piece of code and release it as source, all the modifications in
the world to that don't change the fact your source remains open. The
dishonesty has to end somewhere. Just admit the GPL is about social activism and
providing a religion for aetheists who've got no purpose in life. Sick, really sick.

Bill

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                Re: Announcing Mecrisp-Stellaris - a native code ARM-Cortex implementation Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-07-07 01:20 -0700
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