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"Xeno" <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message 
news:msgij1$c5e$1@dont-email.me...
> On 6/09/2015 2:23 PM, Max wrote:
>>
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:d51sl4FrlcjU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>> <bruce56@topmail.co.nz> wrote
>>>
>>>>> I know that since tablets caught on that the sales of PCs have fallen.
>>>>> I mean those in the tower cases.
>>>>> Maybe business workstations and gaming PCs still sell, but I presume
>>>>> the home/student PC has fallen in a hole.
>>>>> I have noticed a couple of PC shops close down in the last 2 years.
>>>>> Are there any statistics how much sales have fallen?
>>>>
>>>> People use tablets when in the lounge in front of the TV or maybe at
>>>> the kitchen or dining table.  They use them for simple web tasks such
>>>> as looking up websites for information, booking flights and hotels,
>>>> internet banking. I don't believe people are writing many emails on
>>>> tablets.
>>>
>>>> You also cannot do word processing on a tablet.
>>>
>>> You can actually with an addon bluetooth keyboard etc.
>>>
>>>> It is not going to replace the PC for that, so students will still
>>>> need a PC,
>>>
>>> Most of them moved to a laptop, hardly any have a PC anymore.
>>>
>>
>> A laptop is a PC, as opposed to a tablet.

> Yes, tablets are piss poor for doing serious work on, even with an add on 
> keyboard,

That is just plain wrong with the high end tablets.

> so the laptop is likely to survive for quite some time.

They will all survive for quite some time, but fewer and
fewer bother with a laptop anymore, let alone a PC.

I'm the only one of two that still use a PC anymore
of those I know. Most of them still use laptops, but
not all of them, some just have a tablet now and
quite a few just have a smartphone now, nothing else.

>>>> and of course businesses will still use PCs.

>>> Quite a few of the sales fools have moved to tablets and smartphones.

>> Jobs that require proper Word or Excel use other apps will stay with the 
>> PC.

> Have you seen the new desktop PCs? They are usually much smaller now.

That usually is overstated.

> This process was led by the Mac Mini.

Bullshit.

>>>> But there is a chunk of the market lost to tablets.

>>>> PC shops have been closing down for a long time.

>>> Yes, its always been one area of significant turnover.

>>>> When the prices of brand name PCs like HP, Dell and Acer came down the 
>>>> PC shops all starting closing - about 10 years ago.

>>> That utterly mangles the real story.

>> Big brand PCs used to be over twice the cost of custom built PCs and
>> were mainly used in business.  Then the price came down and now they are 
>> affordable and easily bought from stores like Harvey Norman.

>> You would be mad to run a PC Shop now.

> Last thing I wanted to do, even when it was more viable.

Its still quite viable although the bulk of the revenue comes
from flogging tablets and smartphones and laptops competing
with the likes of Harvey Norman and they are quite competitive
on price doing that.

>>>> It is now not cost effective to buy a custom built PC.

>>> And that is just plain wrong.

>>>> The prices are virtually the same now

>>> They are quite a bit lower at the bottom end.

>> You might be able to save a one to hundred dollars by buying all the
>> parts and putting it together yourself, but why would you bother when
>> you don't do that for a living and might stuff something up?

> I used to build my own back when I felt the need to be "bleeding edge".

I still do it even tho I never bother with the bleeding edge.

> My last "build" is still here, a Core 2 Quad that was state of the art 
> when I built it.

I am using mine now, built rather later than that.
Never was state of the art, I just don’t need that.

> That is no longer the case and I "find" all sorts of things these days 
> that keep me busy tinkering.

I keep doing it all and a lot more
than I used to with the other stuff.

>>>> and you don't get the QA checks

>>> Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage.

>>>> and no reliable warranty from a big company.

>>> Even sillier and more pig ignorant than you usually manage.

>> I would much prefer taking a computer back to Harvey Norman than to the 
>> local PC shop which might be out of business in 3-6 months.

> I find it much easier to get hold of people's discarded desktops. Also 
> ex-lease business desktops can be reasonable for day to day use.

I still prefer a desktop for that. Just have the one I use
much now instead of having the PVR on the most
recently obsoleted PC. Do it all in the main PC now.

That's one area where a PC leaves a laptop for dead,
a decent case with lots of removable hard drive slots.

> I haven't built a new computer in years now.

I have.

> Have rejigged a few however. Got one with a core 2 duo off a hard rubbish 
> collection a month or two back. It had 2 minor problems; shorted video 
> card and dead onboard lan. Put a video card in from a previous hard 
> rubbish pickup and fixed the lan issue with a Wifi card that was in a 
> desktop that was given to me.

I don’t bother to do that stuff anymore.

> That desktop, I might add, was replaced with a laptop by the lady owner.

Same with the Turks laptop which also the onboard video connector
broken off by someone kicking it when it was on the floor under the
desk. They've now been thru at least two laptops since. They don’t
bother with tablets but do with tablets. The 13 year old has had just
a tablet for a long time now and is about to get an iphone 6 for his
birthday in days allegedly. Bet he doesn’t bother with a laptop and
might at most get a keyboard for it for the school stuff. It’s a high
end ipad air.
 

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